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“Wisdom” appears as the mediatrix of creation and salvation history, as God’s first creature…" ~ Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Daughter Zion
Catholicism, to my understanding, interprets the Wisdom texts to Mary, the figure of wisdom (Sophia).
In both Hebrew and Greek, Wisdom is a feminine noun.
Whats more, the word for Spirit, in Hebrew (not Greek) is feminine as well; and so in that respect we have almost a glimpse of the primordial type of the feminine, in a mysterious and veiled manner, found within God himself.
“As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you…” Isaiah 66:13
“Surely I have behaved and quited myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother; my soul is even as a weaned child.” Psalm 131:2
“…how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings…” Matthew 23:37
This may be a bit complex for the first time reader to grasp, but Qual is certainly just reinventing the wheel here as this theology has been around for quite sometime; to simplify, let me just state that the word Wisdom is not ONLY applied to Mary.
The word applies to Jesus, Mary and most especially also to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity The Holy Spirit.
It was Maximillian Kolbe who proclaimed “The Holy Spirit is the uncreated immaculate conception.”
Even before then, Methodius called the Holy Spirit the “rib of the Word” - the uncreated principle of maternity.
This will require an entire thread but remember how Mary, The Church and Israel can be synonymous in Revelation 12 ???
Well, think of what I’m saying in that there is a commonality and similarities with The Holy Spirit, Mary, Motherhood, Eve, Immaculate Conception, Wisdom and the Feminine…
St. Paul describes how our own “adoption as sons” (as I stated in the Spiritual adoption thread) is associated with the Holy Spirit, and the “groaning in travail” that accompanies “the redemption of our bodies” (Romans 8:22-23)
The verb for “groaning” is the same one used in the Greek Old Testament to describe the labor pains of Eve, the mother of all the living (Genesis 3:16)
The key to understanding the title of this thread resides in the understanding of the Immaculate Conception, I feel, and it’s purpose; following afterward with the comparison to the Holy Spirit in a most splendid and model fashion.
The Immaculate Conception, properly understood and in it’s most basic and simplest terms, is the dogma presented that proclaims the preservation of Mary from the stain of original sin because of and in view of the merits of Christ. Therefore, one can not acknowledge the Immaculate Conception without also adhering to the dogma of Original Sin.
Opponents will profess that Mary too needed a Savior (Luke 1:47), all the while not realizing that Catholicism teaches that Mary was indeed saved albeit in a most grandiose and wholly unique way. ( He is a greater redeemer who pays the debt that it may not be incurred than he who pays after it has fallen on the debtor. ~ Catholic Encyclopedia)
There is a difference from Mary’s salvation, and everyone else’s though and that differentiation is found within the way in which Salvation is achieved.
Mary is saved from falling i.e. exemption, whereas everyone else is saved after falling.
Now, Mary is not only the Mother of God but She is also the mother of believers, by her charity bringing about thebirth of believers; so She is at once the Mother of Christ and Mother of the Church, hence the Mother of the whole Christ i.e. Head & Body.
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman…and…the remnant of her seed…” Revelation 12:17
Though what about the Holy Spirit?
According to Scripture, as I stated earlier, the Hebrew word for Spirit is ruah, which is feminine and the Spirit is presented in a maternal and bridal way (Revelation 22:17, Romans 8:14-17, 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 [all of these having adoption, inheritance, heirs, baptism, birth speech, in common]) much like Mary, or rather I should say Mary much like the Spirit; as Mary is to the Spirit what the Church is to Mary, in the latter Mary is the archetype i.e. exemplary realization (typus Ephesians 5:27 “immaculata” or holy & without blemish of which the Church is modeled after her) and in the former the Holy Spirit is the model that Mary derives Her qualities from.
Catholicism, to my understanding, interprets the Wisdom texts to Mary, the figure of wisdom (Sophia).
In both Hebrew and Greek, Wisdom is a feminine noun.
Whats more, the word for Spirit, in Hebrew (not Greek) is feminine as well; and so in that respect we have almost a glimpse of the primordial type of the feminine, in a mysterious and veiled manner, found within God himself.
“As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you…” Isaiah 66:13
“Surely I have behaved and quited myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother; my soul is even as a weaned child.” Psalm 131:2
“…how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings…” Matthew 23:37
This may be a bit complex for the first time reader to grasp, but Qual is certainly just reinventing the wheel here as this theology has been around for quite sometime; to simplify, let me just state that the word Wisdom is not ONLY applied to Mary.
The word applies to Jesus, Mary and most especially also to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity The Holy Spirit.
It was Maximillian Kolbe who proclaimed “The Holy Spirit is the uncreated immaculate conception.”
Even before then, Methodius called the Holy Spirit the “rib of the Word” - the uncreated principle of maternity.
This will require an entire thread but remember how Mary, The Church and Israel can be synonymous in Revelation 12 ???
Well, think of what I’m saying in that there is a commonality and similarities with The Holy Spirit, Mary, Motherhood, Eve, Immaculate Conception, Wisdom and the Feminine…
St. Paul describes how our own “adoption as sons” (as I stated in the Spiritual adoption thread) is associated with the Holy Spirit, and the “groaning in travail” that accompanies “the redemption of our bodies” (Romans 8:22-23)
The verb for “groaning” is the same one used in the Greek Old Testament to describe the labor pains of Eve, the mother of all the living (Genesis 3:16)
The key to understanding the title of this thread resides in the understanding of the Immaculate Conception, I feel, and it’s purpose; following afterward with the comparison to the Holy Spirit in a most splendid and model fashion.
The Immaculate Conception, properly understood and in it’s most basic and simplest terms, is the dogma presented that proclaims the preservation of Mary from the stain of original sin because of and in view of the merits of Christ. Therefore, one can not acknowledge the Immaculate Conception without also adhering to the dogma of Original Sin.
Opponents will profess that Mary too needed a Savior (Luke 1:47), all the while not realizing that Catholicism teaches that Mary was indeed saved albeit in a most grandiose and wholly unique way. ( He is a greater redeemer who pays the debt that it may not be incurred than he who pays after it has fallen on the debtor. ~ Catholic Encyclopedia)
There is a difference from Mary’s salvation, and everyone else’s though and that differentiation is found within the way in which Salvation is achieved.
Mary is saved from falling i.e. exemption, whereas everyone else is saved after falling.
Now, Mary is not only the Mother of God but She is also the mother of believers, by her charity bringing about thebirth of believers; so She is at once the Mother of Christ and Mother of the Church, hence the Mother of the whole Christ i.e. Head & Body.
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman…and…the remnant of her seed…” Revelation 12:17
Though what about the Holy Spirit?
According to Scripture, as I stated earlier, the Hebrew word for Spirit is ruah, which is feminine and the Spirit is presented in a maternal and bridal way (Revelation 22:17, Romans 8:14-17, 1 Corinthians 6:10-11 [all of these having adoption, inheritance, heirs, baptism, birth speech, in common]) much like Mary, or rather I should say Mary much like the Spirit; as Mary is to the Spirit what the Church is to Mary, in the latter Mary is the archetype i.e. exemplary realization (typus Ephesians 5:27 “immaculata” or holy & without blemish of which the Church is modeled after her) and in the former the Holy Spirit is the model that Mary derives Her qualities from.
