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mhazell
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Cutting, noses, faces and spite all spring to mind.
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Phemie
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It is widely practised. In Canada the ORDO goes as far as to say “Every effort should be made to involve a cross section of those gathered in this ritual.” It’s pretty difficult to have a “cross section” and still follow the rubrics.
I know that since we started doing the foot washing again, after years of all washing our hands and having someone dry them, we have never had 12 men volunteer. I never knew how embarrassed men were to show their feet but at times the reaction to our request to volunteer was so extreme you’d have thought we’d asked them to take off their pants rather than their shoes and socks.
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JPUSC
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LOL, at a chapel, they had the washing of the feet for the whole congregation. One of the lay washers (there was more than 10) was beckoning for me to go up and I shook my head no, but still he insisted for the longest time so I finally went.
Jeez, I didn’t expect him to actually wash both feet thoroughly, I was there for like 10 minutes.
When I was asked to participate in my actual parish a few years back, the priest just put a small amount of water then quickly wiped it off. This guy at the chapel cleaned them so thoroughly that he probably would’ve given me a pedicure or foot massage if I asked.
What an odd service.
Jeez, I didn’t expect him to actually wash both feet thoroughly, I was there for like 10 minutes.
When I was asked to participate in my actual parish a few years back, the priest just put a small amount of water then quickly wiped it off. This guy at the chapel cleaned them so thoroughly that he probably would’ve given me a pedicure or foot massage if I asked.
What an odd service.
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FrDavid96
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If the USCCB thought that Rome would grant approval for allowing the change rather than deny such approval (and thereby make it even more clear that this isn’t to be done), they would most likely request it, so I don’t think you’ll have much luck on that front.
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Holland
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And so it will continue until most if not all Dioceses join in. Our Diocese (Fairbanks, AK) allows it. The local church has gone one step further by allowing children to participate. The priest washes the first persons feet and then that person washes whoever comes up from the pews and so on until you run out of people who want to come up. It has been turned into a very odd service indeed. All these people with one regular shoe on and one flip flop or slipper on. I won’t be going this year and I feel pretty sad.
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Layman
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I said it was perverse because, if there were only male disciples of Jesus to whom this was done originally, putting women in because of ‘political correctness’ or ‘being nice’ spoils the occasion. It becomes ‘a priest washing people’s feet’.
I assume the priest is supposed to be like Christ and the men to represent the apostles? So what’s Mrs. Higgins doing up there with her stockings off?
I say it’s creepy because I’m assuming priests aren’t supposed to touch women at all, ideally, as it may be an occasion of sin for them. They’re celibate men.
I vaguely recall St. Padre Pio reprimanded a female relative by bopping her on the head with a book so as not to touch her with his hands. I very much doubt priests would have been allowed to touch women like this even fifty years ago.
[Sarcasm] But hey, it’s a ‘do what you feel is right’ era. Even if emotions are about as reliable as a caffeinated monkey.
Keep meddling with a masterpiece and eventually you have a mess.
I assume the priest is supposed to be like Christ and the men to represent the apostles? So what’s Mrs. Higgins doing up there with her stockings off?
I say it’s creepy because I’m assuming priests aren’t supposed to touch women at all, ideally, as it may be an occasion of sin for them. They’re celibate men.
I vaguely recall St. Padre Pio reprimanded a female relative by bopping her on the head with a book so as not to touch her with his hands. I very much doubt priests would have been allowed to touch women like this even fifty years ago.
[Sarcasm] But hey, it’s a ‘do what you feel is right’ era. Even if emotions are about as reliable as a caffeinated monkey.
Keep meddling with a masterpiece and eventually you have a mess.
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DCD
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I will offer up my prayers for the bishop. I encourage everyone to say a prayer for the building up of The Body in the Richmond Diocese. In this Lenten season, Lord have mercy on us.
Pax,
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PreciousMummy26
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What about using the “A” word during the Mass on Holy Thursday? I know that Holy Thursday isn’t officially a part of Lent, but of the Triduum, but we were always taught that the “A” word was “buried” from Ash Wednesday until Easter (or Easter Vigil post-VII). At our church this was used in the meditation hymn following reception of Holy Communion. To be fair, it was used as an adjective rather than as an exclamation of joy, but still. . . is that allowed? Thanks.
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acadian
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Last year at my parish, we washed hands. That was odd. Especially since Fr. By-the-Book is our pastor.
Last night, nothing was washed. That part of the Mass was skipped without explanation. Maybe a bad back and/or bad knees make it too difficult for Father.
That said, Mass was lovely. There was incense. The Eucharistic procession was deeply touching.
Last night, nothing was washed. That part of the Mass was skipped without explanation. Maybe a bad back and/or bad knees make it too difficult for Father.
That said, Mass was lovely. There was incense. The Eucharistic procession was deeply touching.
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maryjk
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As I stated in another thread, at my parish it wasn’t just women, it was children. Three of the children were under First Communion age. All three of the children were girls. One in particular sat in her chair, swinging her feet, smiling like she was at a birthday party.
Of the twelve, two were men. And the Mass was FULL. I can’t imagine that they couldn’t find 12 men.
I also find it odd since our Pastor is normally very by the book.
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estesbob
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We had both men and womens feet washed last night. My reading of the rubrics in my Roman Missal would inidcate it should have been only men. It also mentioned it was optional. This is one of those issues, like holding hands at the Our Father, that I think are insignificant in the large scheme of things but always seems to draw a lot of critical comment.
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benedictgal
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The washing of the feet rubric is for men only. The rubrics state that and the authoritative documents of the Holy See state that. The rubrics and the documents also state that the ritual is optional, meaning that the celebrant does not have to do this.
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Phemie
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Unfortunately, not all priests follow rubrics.
The Tabernacle wasn’t empty last night and after Communion all the hosts were put together and today we’ll get Communion from Hosts that were consecrated weeks ago.
I watched the sacristan cry yesterday when Fr. decreed that the whole concept of keeping the Hosts separate was silly.
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allhers
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Just as a side note, I happened to be able to watch the Mass of the Lords Supper last night at Midnight on EWTN and the Holy Father washed the feet of 12 men, (well actually he poured water over one foot of each and then dried them with a towel), one at a time, two Priest followed along with him, after he poured the water over the one foot, that rested in what looked like a small gold basin, then he dried the foot and put the towel on what looked like a gold tray, they moved the basin to each individual all along the line and used a different towel for each one.
They made an announcement that the men were deacons and that some were from a seminary studying for the Priesthood.
They made an announcement that the men were deacons and that some were from a seminary studying for the Priesthood.
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benedictgal
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You might have heard it wrong, I’m afraid. They were priests, including one cardinal. There might have been a deacon. The ones assisting him at the Mass were transitional deacons who will be ordained priests.
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allhers
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You could very well be right, I have a horrible cold right now and was falling in and out of sleep as I watched it, the medication wouldn’t allow me to stay awake for the whole Mass.
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benedictgal
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I got to see it twice: live and the replay. The second time, I was taking my migraine meds. However, I did listen to the explanation. The big clue was that they wore chasubles and one of them had a red cassock.
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