Holy Water Obtained from Parish for Pagan Ritual

[Lost_Sheep]

I don’t think it is anyone’s intent to “believe” in holy water or the Eucharist, but rather to make a mockery of it. Or perhaps to “sacrifice” Jesus (in the form of the Eucharist) to Satan.

 

[JRS_88]

In addition to the above, I looked on a couple of sites and discovered that a lot of pagans wouldn’t bother with taking from the Church as they have their own rituals regarding water (preferably taken from a stream). It just sounds as if the OP is referring to Satanists or to Pagans who are moving towards Satanism.

Yes, this is what I found after doing more reading. They do have their own ways of making their holy water, and I agree that that particular person might be moving to Satanism or for lack of a better term, dark rituals.
Thankfully they weren’t talking about obtaining a Host.

I messaged one of the commenters. She would not tell me if she was pagan, or wiccan or anything in particular, and she would not tell me what she wanted to do with the Catholic holy water saying that she didn’t have to tell me anything because it was her right to practice her religion any way she sees fit. She then gave me about 1000 words (not exaggerating) on how Christianity has pagan roots.

I gave up on trying to get her to tell me what she wanted it for and decided to pray about the situation.

 

[Avila123]

Yes, this is what I found after doing more reading. They do have their own ways of making their holy water, and I agree that that particular person might be moving to Satanism or for lack of a better term, dark rituals.
Thankfully they weren’t talking about obtaining a Host.

I messaged one of the commenters. She would not tell me if she was pagan, or wiccan or anything in particular, and she would not tell me what she wanted to do with the Catholic holy water saying that she didn’t have to tell me anything because it was her right to practice her religion any way she sees fit. She then gave me about 1000 words (not exaggerating) on how Christianity has pagan roots.

I gave up on trying to get her to tell me what she wanted it for and decided to pray about the situation.

Sounds sensible to me as the person in question appears confused as she is obsessed with her rights to do what she wants with total disregard and disrespect for others. Her attitude does not tally with the Pagans and Wiccans on CAF either. May God, in his infinite mercy and wisdom, draw that poor woman to Him and heal her.

God bless you.

 

[ShanPO]

You think that’s bad? We’ve had teenagers pretend to receive the Eucharist and then take it out of the church to use in pagan rituals.

Now the ushers have to stand near the communion ministers to make sure the Eucharists are actually consumed and not taken outside.

We had to do this in my home parish as well. We were instructed to follow the person either to their seat or out into the foyer and then as politely as possible ask for our Lord back. It definitely made you feel like a tough guy, standing up for our Lord in that way. Fortunately, it only happened a few times.

 

[CatholicZ09]

Well, from what I have read and seen before, it seems like Satanists and Pagans get a “kick” out of desecrating something holy. I have seen YouTube videos of Eucharistic desecrations. This guy actually did “public signings” of the Eucharist where he would take the host and sign it with permanent marker. There was another guy that took a bite of the host and then spit it out.

I’m not saying that all Satanists and Pagans do this, but I have seen a lot videos about it. It’s mostly for attention, I bet; however, they cannot really hurt Christ. Sure, this is a grave sacrilege; however, Christ cannot physically be hurt by it.

 

[MorEphrem]

I don’t think it’s sacrilege by definition. Sacrilege is a profaning of the sacred, and I wouldn’t quite call holy water “sacred.” I think it’s a greater profaning that they’re deceitfully stealing from the Church (i.e. the water) than it is that they’re splashing around in it.

 

[TimothyH]

I don’t think it’s sacrilege by definition. Sacrilege is a profaning of the sacred, and I wouldn’t quite call holy water “sacred.” I think it’s a greater profaning that they’re deceitfully stealing from the Church (i.e. the water) than it is that they’re splashing around in it.

I tend to agree with MorEphrem and would clarify that sacrilege is the intentional profaning of the sacred. An accident or mistake is not necessarily sacrilege.

To the point of the original post however, the Eucharist is offered reasonable protection, locked in a heavy tabernacle, and the sacred vessels are usually locked in a safe or cabinet. These are sacred and offered reasonable protection.

I would question whether taking holy water from the Church is really stealing. The Church seems to give it away. Others have mentioned people “attempting to get” or “asking” for holy water. My experience is that anyone can walk into a Roman Catholic Church and get a gallon of it without asking. Isn’t there usually a large dispenser where anyone can just walk up and help themselves?

If holy water was sacred then why would it be left out for anyone to take? Would it not be protected against profanation?

-Tim-

 

[Aeden]

I don’t know how pagans or wiccans can use holy water for their rituals, as holy water is sacred, and it is impossible for it to be used for witchcraft. Anything that it touches becomes blessed.

Wouldn’t they be able to do things to the water as disrespect to God? Pour it down toilets, urinate in it, etc? People can get quite creative when engaging in sin.

@timothyH: I guess the same way you can just buy a rosary, something that is supposed to be used religiously, and use it for things like jewelry or just do awful things to it if you want. The base assumption when you get something like that is that you’re going to use it properly, but there’s no real way to know until some evidence of improper use is seen, like pocketing the host in Mass, for example.

 

[Magdalen2013]

Most Pagans and Wiccans have their own ceremonies for consecrating water for ritual use. The only group I can think of that MIGHT take holy water would be those practicing Voodoo or Santeria, and they would be using it to cleanse someone or something.

Now, Satanists I don’t know anything about so, what THEY might do I wouldn’t venture to guess.