Homosexuality and general questions

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Hi All…

When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states that it is an abomination…End of debate.

I do need some advice from someone, however, regarding some other specific laws and how to follow them:
  1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9), The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
  2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what’s a fair price for her?
  3. I know that I am not allowed contact with women (my wife, specif.) during her period of mestrual cleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). Could anyone recommend a reasonably priced hotel where I might send her for that week?
  4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, providing they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Why can’t I own Canadians?
  5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 5:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him, or is that a federal or state issue?
  6. A friend of mine ffeels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t see the difference. Can someone help?
  7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I must admit I do wear reading glasses. Does this bar me from Communion? I mean, do I have to be 20/20, or is there some ‘wiggle room’ here?
8.Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though it is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
  1. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
  2. My uncle owns a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two crops in the same field (corn/soybeans rotation) as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also curses and blasphemes. is it really necessart to gather the whole town to stone them?(Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you all have studied these things extensively also, so I am confident someone can help!
Thanks, all, and remember that God’s word is eternal and unchanging!

Simon
 
The error here is that this assumes that condemnation of homosexual acts is based soley on one paasage from Leviticus. Not so. There are many Scripture passages that condemn sexual perversity. Also, it is constant Church teaching. Here’s a link: scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html

Scott
 
Vincent. the questions have been asked before, but they still have not been answered. What about them? They were valid then and they are valid now…what say you? Is it frightening to admit that there are obsolete/contradictory statements in the old testament, and that the four gospels don’t match up exactly, and often bear contracting accounts? Look, I don’t bring this up to move anyone from faith…only to remind that the Bible is a mystery in many ways…our job is to study it with humility…not interepret it for the masses when we, as sinners, do a pretty miserable job of following it’s most basic and undeniable tenants.

Peace,
Simon
 
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simon:
Vincent. the questions have been asked before, but they still have not been answered. What about them? They were valid then and they are valid now…what say you? Is it frightening to admit that there are obsolete/contradictory statements in the old testament, and that the four gospels don’t match up exactly, and often bear contracting accounts? Look, I don’t bring this up to move anyone from faith…only to remind that the Bible is a mystery in many ways…our job is to study it with humility…not interepret it for the masses when we, as sinners, do a pretty miserable job of following it’s most basic and undeniable tenants.

Peace,
Simon
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Looks to me like you’re just trying to pick a fight.

No thanks, feeling too good today to fight. :cool:
 
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simon:
… the Bible is a mystery in many ways…our job is to study it with humility…not interepret it for the masses when we, as sinners, do a pretty miserable job of following it’s most basic and undeniable tenants.

Peace,
Simon
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exactly, that is why it is the church’s job to interpret it for the masses. only the church is infallible when interpreting the scriptures. not me, you, or any website. so, i would say, when there is a question on interpretation (i.e. if homosexuality is wrong, is it okay to sell my daughter into slavery) we need to ask, “what does the church say?”
 
Hi Vincent…

no, i don’t like fights.

searching for Truth is not a fight. a struggle perhaps, but not a fight…a struggle worth the discomfort…the house should be built on the proverbial stone and not sand (not to suggest yours isn’t, it’s just that you are the one who replied). this thread isn’t about me confronting you it’s about Christians understanding what they believe and why rather than just jumping on the hot-button band wagon. Why is it so hard for so many to feel comfortable with having questions and being questioned?

peace
simon
 
Simon…Simon… You are mistaken…this is a catholic forum. not a jewish forum…By the way… Good luck creating kids!
 
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simon:
Is it frightening to admit that there are obsolete/contradictory statements in the old testament
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If you read Acts of the Apostles you’ll see why the laws are obsolete and why your original posting is pointless.
 
Obviously,I have not mistaken you all for Jews, and I thank you for your reproductive well-wishing (i need all the help i can get) and it seems to me the clergy doesn’t necessarily have the corner on the market on living Christ-like, either!
 
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simon:
Vincent. the questions have been asked before, but they still have not been answered. What about them? They were valid then and they are valid now…what say you? Is it frightening to admit that there are obsolete/contradictory statements in the old testament, and that the four gospels don’t match up exactly, and often bear contracting accounts? Look, I don’t bring this up to move anyone from faith…only to remind that the Bible is a mystery in many ways…our job is to study it with humility…not interepret it for the masses when we, as sinners, do a pretty miserable job of following it’s most basic and undeniable tenants.

Peace,
Simon
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That’s “tenets,” not tenents.

What are you asking? I hope you do not think this list even remotely represents a Catholic/Christian view of how Scripture is to be interpreted and used.

That list is nothing more than a bit of sophomoric sarcasm, an adolescent attempt to insult Scriptural exegesis, an insult to all Jews and Christians of good faith, and above all, it is an insult to serious Christians with same sex attraction who are striving in the love of their Lord to live chaste and holy lives.

Now. If you seriously want to discuss Scripural exegesis, if you want to discuss the Scriptural foundations of human sexual mores in a way that respects human nature and its God-ordained procreative potential, and that treats those with same sex attraction as human beings worthy of our Lord’s Sacrifice on the Cross, come back, and we’ll still be here for you.
 
I think that ignoring most of God’s direct commandments in Leviticus while picking one or to to condemn people for makes the Church the ultimate “cafeteria” religion.

I’ve heard the arguments about the admonition being mentioned in other places but just where do you think those “other places” got the idea - from Leviticus, of course!

Just remember that the polyester blend shirt you are wearing or the scallops you had last night are reserving you a spot right next to the homosexuals in the hereafter.

Pat
 
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simon:
Obviously,I have not mistaken you all for Jews, and I thank you for your reproductive well-wishing (i need all the help i can get) and it seems to me the clergy doesn’t necessarily have the corner on the market on living Christ-like, either!
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Simon, if you have been offended by some Priest, go take it him, like man. It looks as though you will recieve no help here.
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simon:
Hi All…

When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states that it is an abomination…End of debate.

I do need some advice from someone, however, regarding some other specific laws and how to follow them:
  1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9), The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? Have you borrowed anything that belongs to them? I say smite them.
  2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what’s a fair price for her? That depends…is she a teenager? If so, is she a surly teenager? Is she 30 or older? You haven’t given much information. It’s difficult to look it up in the Blue Book if you don’t have the details.
  3. I know that I am not allowed contact with women (my wife, specif.) during her period of mestrual cleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). Could anyone recommend a reasonably priced hotel where I might send her for that week? Motel 6 is best, cheaper Sun-Thurs. and in the off season.
  4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, providing they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Why can’t I own Canadians? That is correct. You can only sell Canadians and the sale must take place within one calendar month from the day of original aquisition…you can wiggle around this if you have a neighbor who’ll buy the Canadian from you, keep him/her for one month and then sell him/her back. You and your neighbor can keep this up indefinitely under current law…and it’s really cheaper in the long run.
  5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 5:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him, or is that a federal or state issue?
    No, no, you can, in fact, slay him yourself…but NOT on the Sabbath.
  6. A friend of mine ffeels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t see the difference. Can someone help? We have no clear answer to this problem. It has vexed scholars for millenia. They are agreed, however, that nothing is worse than gay shellfish.
  7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I must admit I do wear reading glasses. Does this bar me from Communion? I mean, do I have to be 20/20, or is there some ‘wiggle room’ here? Never admit anything! You’ve no idea the logistical headaches you’ve just caused.
8.Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though it is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? Slowly and painfully.
  1. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? Yes, you just can’t touch the center’s bottom…even with gloves.
  2. My uncle owns a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two crops in the same field (corn/soybeans rotation) as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also curses and blasphemes. is it really necessart to gather the whole town to stone them?(Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) ***Yes, in fact, Martha Stewart’s got something on her website about how you can turn these dull family get-togethers into something the whole clan will remember for years to come…Recipes and centerpieces included. ***
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mercygate:
That’s “tenets,” not tenents.

What are you asking? I hope you do not think this list even remotely represents a Catholic/Christian view of how Scripture is to be interpreted and used.

That list is nothing more than a bit of sophomoric sarcasm, an adolescent attempt to insult Scriptural exegesis, an insult to all Jews and Christians of good faith, and above all, it is an insult to serious Christians with same sex attraction who are striving in the love of their Lord to live chaste and holy lives.

Now. If you seriously want to discuss Scripural exegesis, if you want to discuss the Scriptural foundations of human sexual mores in a way that respects human nature and its God-ordained procreative potential, and that treats those with same sex attraction as human beings worthy of our Lord’s Sacrifice on the Cross, come back, and we’ll still be here for you.
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It’s actually quite relevant when some people try to tell the rest of society that it should oppose homosexual conduct because the bible says so.
 
mercy gate

thanks for the spelling correction.

keep on questionin’
simon
 
Simon, why in the world would you appeal to Leviticus for your response when common sense alone is enough to tell us that homosexual behavior is disordered?
 
I have no question…just a comment. Perhaps you should study the history of salvation as the Catholic Church presents it, and you would understand about the Levitical Code and why it was imposed as well as its place in relationship with the rest of the teaching of the Church. Furthermore, a good understanding of the Theology of the Body that John Paul II has put forward may be of some help as well in understanding why the Church teaches that homosexual behavior is disordered. Furthermore, you are free to reject any of this. No one is binding you to believe one little dot of Church teaching.
 
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