Homosexuality And Why The Church Is Wrong

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To become an actual ‘member’ of the ‘Body’ of Christ, one must put God at the forefront of his life. Jesus mentioned things about letting the dead bury the dead, and leaving our families behind, to follow Him.

When we follow Him were leaving all worldly desires behind… I know -it’s hard to be catholic.😦
 
Growing up with a close family member with same sex attraction, I witnessed and therefore do not minimize the struggles of the same sex attracted in the young and the old. However, I react to your post as it adds to the wrong notion that everyone else is with someone in an actual or potentially sexual relationship.

You have posts that were illuminating and made me think hard, Dakota, but some as with this one of yours, I think, only perpetuates the entitlement that homosexuals feel they should have – marriage and families, which you know as a Catholic, is not consistent with the teaching. It also has the effect of readers to erroneously conclude that gay ‘marriage’ and adoption of kids are civil rights and/or that being a homosexual is a genetic / biological trait like skin pigmentation or race. Why do you go there?
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I would like to point out a very important modifier, “it seems like”, perception does not necessarily meet reality. At the root issue is modern culture’s inability to value non-sexual relationships. Since it does not recognize them it unduly exalts what it has remaining, i.e. sexual relationships. As a consequence of this people try to fill that yearning at their core (to be connect with others, to belong) with sex which is what they know. If this has been deprived they don’t know how to fill it. If society properly valued other relationships this wouldn’t be a problem.
 
I would like to point out a very important modifier, “it seems like”, perception does not necessarily meet reality. At the root issue is modern culture’s inability to value non-sexual relationships. Since it does not recognize them it unduly exalts what it has remaining, i.e. sexual relationships. As a consequence of this people try to fill that yearning at their core (to be connect with others, to belong) with sex which is what they know. If this has been deprived they don’t know how to fill it. If society properly valued other relationships this wouldn’t be a problem.
True. There have been times I will admit that I’ve seen two guys eating together in a restaurant and I couldn’t have helped questioning whether they were gay or not. So why did the questioning of their sexuality cross my mind, have I been trained to value relationships based on sex…?

On the same token, maybe they were gay, but only because society trained them that if they preferred the company of other men that they must then act out as homosexuals. Perhaps they were conditioned and influenced in time.

Is it not possible for two men or two women to be lifelong partners or friends without having any type of sexual relations whatsoever…? Or is this not natural? I think it’s okay. 🤷

I think it just goes to show how corrupt society has become -were being force fed immorality by those who wish to destroy morals. When all morals have been stripped away, what will the new code of ethics be…? Who decides, the government?
 
True. There have been times I will admit that I’ve seen two guys eating together in a restaurant and I couldn’t have helped questioning whether they were gay or not. So why did the questioning of their sexuality cross my mind, have I been trained to value relationships based on sex…?

On the same token, maybe they were gay, but only because society trained them that if they preferred the company of other men that they must then act out as homosexuals. Perhaps they were conditioned and influenced in time.

Is it not possible for two men or two women to be lifelong partners or friends without having any type of sexual relations whatsoever…? Or is this not natural? I think it’s okay. 🤷

I think it just goes to show how corrupt society has become -were being force fed immorality by those who wish to destroy morals. When all morals have been stripped away, what will the new code of ethics be…? Who decides, the government?
The younger you are the greater the odds you have (especially once yo get under ~25)

Actually it’s great for two men or two women to be lifelong partners or friends without having any type of sexual relations whatsoever, I was bashing the culture of death.

Does Jersey Shore really need a code of ethics?
 
Hello everyone,
Still haven’t figured out the shaded gray quote thing but I will work on it.

Tepo, thank you for “getting it”. Your kindness meant a LOT.

I have been thinking about what you said about the creation of a soul. That was beautiful.

In reading all the posts in this thread I get the impression many think gays and lesbians who are in a relationship are sex crazed, depraved individuals. Maybe some are, I see heterosexuals that sometimes seem that way.

I don’t want to come off as condoning immorality, Lust is a deadly sin. Without being judgemental, because only God knows a person’s heart, I would say sex outside of marriage
(recognizing marriage is a covenant between the individuals) is …Wow, it is hard to type sinful! I can think of reasons why it wouldn’t be. Well, that’s another thread.

What I am asking you to consider is what if you woke up tomorrow and your physical body had changed sexes but you were still the same person you are today.

Anyway, sex, sex, sex,! Why is it such a bone of contention with the Church? Aren’t there much more pressing matters than what goes on between two loving adults in their bedroom???

Love to all
 
Gertabelle, although none of my business, you said lived as a lesbian, are you implying that you dropped that label and no longer identify as one? And how and why did you look towards the Church for guidance? I’m just asking because most of the people I know who identify as gay/lesbian whatever holds Christianity with much contempt.
I absolutely no longer identify as a lesbian. In my case, I left the Church shortly after “coming out” and stayed away for some 14 years.

After about 10 years of living as a lesbian, the longing to be a mother overwhelmed me. And in my inmost heart I knew two things with absolute clarity: I wanted to conceive a child with a man I loved and trusted; and there was no way I would ever raise a child with the woman with whom I was living at the time (we had been together nearly eight years).

I left that relationship, got involved with an old friend, whom I then married. He and I had a son together, and shortly after our 4th wedding anniversary, I returned to the Church. A month later, he wanted a divorce.

Somewhere along the way, I completely lost all interest in women. I currently haven’t the slightest inkling of SSA. But I returned to Church after I had stopped calling myself a lesbian, not before. And yes, I held the Church in great contempt while I was away. 😦
Why do I feel I’m about to experience the e-rack?🙂
Love to all.
Ouch, and you got the rack, too. Sorry to see the initial responses to your post were so harsh. I’ll try to do better :o
At first, I was a “cafeteria” Catholic. Then I felt as a matter of integrity I could no longer financially support a Church that I felt was in error. I want to come back but I’m seeing the holiness of the Church being overwhelmed by pride, power and dogma, like the Scribes and Pharasees.

I want to, with humility, submit **my opinions **to the authority Holy Mother Church but where is she?
Actually, this entire post fits the original topic quite well – because you explain very clearly why you think the Church is wrong.

My favorite part of your entire post is where you say you want to submit your opinions with humility to the authority of the Church! :rotfl: I’m so sorry, but that truly made me laugh! We are so full of pride! We think we are the only ones who could ever have been so insightful, so well-reasoned, so well-spoken – “If only those pesky Bishops knew what I knew, then they’d see reason!”

Honestly, I am making fun of myself more than you, because I used to think and say exactly some of the things you have posted here! I really did think I was so clever, and so noble because I left the Church rather than live out of integrity – so noble, so honorable… so full of BS. I just wanted to do what I wanted, rather than submit to God and His authentic authority on earth.

OK, so I have to get going and I’m not thinking clearly because I have so much to get done for my son’s First Communion tomorrow.

But I just wanted to make one tiny challenge for you: get a copy of The Catechism of the Catholic Church (I use this link to the index of the Catechism. Choose one topic (just one) with which you have a problem with official church teaching. Read the official doctrine of the Church on that matter.

Now here’s the challenge: “try on” the possibility for a little while that the Church is right and you are wrong. Try to understand Church teaching from the bigger picture of salvation and union with God. “The Church is right” – doesn’t have to be for very long. Just try it for a few minutes, maybe as you read the few paragraphs have on that topic.

God bless you. And please don’t be scared away by the harsh treatment you received after your first post on this thread. (and then I come along and laugh at you 😊) You seem very even-handed and level-headed, and I pray you usually receive honest and kind responses to your posts. Please forgive me if my “:rotfl:” was offensive – wasn’t meant to be.

Gertie
 
Still haven’t figured out the shaded gray quote thing but I will work on it.
On the bottom right corner of everyone’s post -there is a small grey box that says “quote”. Just click on it and then you will be able to type under someone else’s “quote”.
Tepo, thank you for “getting it”. Your kindness meant a LOT.

I have been thinking about what you said about the creation of a soul. That was beautiful.
Thanks for saying that… I always knew you weren’t a “troll”… 😃
No just kidding, but seriously I think every catholic has a teaching or two that they struggle understanding or dealing with… We just need to not give up on the church.
What I am asking you to consider is what if you woke up tomorrow and your physical body had changed sexes but you were still the same person you are today.
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I’d find a full body mirror and stand in front of it for hours. 😊 😃
 
This thread is now closed. Thank you to all who participated in the discussion.
 
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