Homosexuality and young teens

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I am currently a mentor for 8th and 9th graders for pre-confirmation. My kids are very smart and willing to learn and was proud of them when I asked if abortion was ever ok (even told them a fake story about a woman being raped and pregnated) and they all answer NO. But the topic of homosecuality came up and I asked if anyone here thinks it’s ok for same sex realtions. I had 7 of them say it’s ok. Boy I wonder what happen to the last 6 years of CCD? So I am going to talk to them about this topic and wanted to know if anyone has any advise about teaching them on where the church stands. I’ve read the Cathechis and reading articles on the site. If anyone else has any other advice on how to talk to the teens about it it would be great. Thanks.
 
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they might be saying yes…because we are constantly pressured by media and gay groups to be politically correct.
 
Very very good information. Alot of things I did not know about this subject. Thank you so much.
 
The Pope wrote something on this topic back when he was Cardinal, anyone have a link to that document?
 
I am currently a mentor for 8th and 9th graders for pre-confirmation. My kids are very smart and willing to learn and was proud of them when I asked if abortion was ever ok (even told them a fake story about a woman being raped and pregnated) and they all answer NO. But the topic of homosecuality came up and I asked if anyone here thinks it’s ok for same sex realtions. I had 7 of them say it’s ok. Boy I wonder what happen to the last 6 years of CCD? So I am going to talk to them about this topic and wanted to know if anyone has any advise about teaching them on where the church stands. I’ve read the Cathechis and reading articles on the site. If anyone else has any other advice on how to talk to the teens about it it would be great. Thanks.
They are being told from other sources that this is acceptable. They are also being told that this is discrimination.
 
They are being told from other sources that this is acceptable. They are also being told that this is discrimination.
I agree. Pray for me all because today I will be talking about this topic. I will pray so that the Holy Spirit will illuminate me and speaking only truth.
 
I work in a public middle school 6 - 8th grade. The fad is for everyone to be “bi.” That means either way and both is OK. The adults attitude is that this is normal sexual exploration. For many kids this line of thinking is so “normal” that it would be difficult for them to even comprehend anything else as “right.” I am glad they have you. At least there will be a voice countering the ones they hear, although I am not sure where their parents are on this…
 
Well go figure that we get alot of snow and have to cancel classes lol. But it must be the Holy Spirit at work to maybe give me more time to prepare. I was able to call all the parents of my students to let them know class was cancelled and informed them that it’s important for them to show up to next week’s class. So God know’s what He is doing:thumbsup:
 
I work in a public middle school 6 - 8th grade. The fad is for everyone to be “bi.” That means either way and both is OK. The adults attitude is that this is normal sexual exploration. For many kids this line of thinking is so “normal” that it would be difficult for them to even comprehend anything else as “right.” I am glad they have you. At least there will be a voice countering the ones they hear, although I am not sure where their parents are on this…
Their parents are the ones watching the TV shows depicting homosexual relationships as normal.
 
Hey archangel04,
I just wanted to say I’m encouraged by your openness to the posters, especially the first one who provided the link to narth (narth.com/docs/hope.html). I myself struggle with homosexuality and I know NARTH to be an excellent and accurate resource. I would just like to give you some advice if I could. Depending on the size of your class, there’s a good chance that at least one, maybe two kids are struggling with homosexuality. Virtually all of them at some point will have a close friend or member of their extended or even immediate family who will identify themselves as gay. Believe me, I’ve been in their shoes, it is one of the most humiliating and shaming places to be. I know you have to make sure your class understands that homosexual behavior is wrong, but I would just encourage you to emphasize that god loves homosexuals just as much as anybody else and that the behavior is wrong and not the attractions. If you read the material on that site in general as well, you will find a compelling argument that homosexuality is a psychological condition. A brief summary goes as such: around 2-3 years of age a boy begins to realize the difference between boys and girls and that he belongs to the same group as his dad. He then reaches out to his dad to make this connection to masculinity, to be affirmed in his own masculinity, to be told he is up to the task, he is strong and sufficient enough. In the case of the homosexual, the father does not properly respond back to the boys outreach and is instead perceived as cold, distant, weak, domineering, violent, dangerous, etc. The boy may try reaching out a few more times but eventually he gives up and enters into what is known as defensive detachment where he rejects his father and everything he represents. His need for masculine affirmation and affection does not go away however, but is a subconscious drive that remains until puberty where it then collides with the sex drive, resulting in homosexuality. For girls it’s a bit more complicated, but there are similar issues of problems with the mother, difficulty identifying with their gender, and also frequently sex abuse issues. I know this may seem a bit heady for 8-9th graders but I can’t emphasize enough how profound that message was to me when I first heard it. If we as Catholics speak out against the immorality of homosexual acts without providing for homosexuals the love of Christ and the hope he has to offer I think we are doing far more grievous acts of sin than the homosexual in his misdirected search for affirmation. And in truth, your class might not have anyone personally struggling with this issue and it’s still important that you mention this real hope and Christ’s love because they will, at some point in their lives, be examples of Christ to homosexuals, whether they know it or not, and if they demonstrate love and compassion then God can work with the softened heart of the homosexual. Again, I think this discussion is great and thanks for what your doing. God bless!
 
Hey archangel04,
I just wanted to say I’m encouraged by your openness to the posters, especially the first one who provided the link to narth (narth.com/docs/hope.html). I myself struggle with homosexuality and I know NARTH to be an excellent and accurate resource. I would just like to give you some advice if I could. Depending on the size of your class, there’s a good chance that at least one, maybe two kids are struggling with homosexuality. Virtually all of them at some point will have a close friend or member of their extended or even immediate family who will identify themselves as gay. Believe me, I’ve been in their shoes, it is one of the most humiliating and shaming places to be. I know you have to make sure your class understands that homosexual behavior is wrong, but I would just encourage you to emphasize that god loves homosexuals just as much as anybody else and that the behavior is wrong and not the attractions. If you read the material on that site in general as well, you will find a compelling argument that homosexuality is a psychological condition. A brief summary goes as such: around 2-3 years of age a boy begins to realize the difference between boys and girls and that he belongs to the same group as his dad. He then reaches out to his dad to make this connection to masculinity, to be affirmed in his own masculinity, to be told he is up to the task, he is strong and sufficient enough. In the case of the homosexual, the father does not properly respond back to the boys outreach and is instead perceived as cold, distant, weak, domineering, violent, dangerous, etc. The boy may try reaching out a few more times but eventually he gives up and enters into what is known as defensive detachment where he rejects his father and everything he represents. His need for masculine affirmation and affection does not go away however, but is a subconscious drive that remains until puberty where it then collides with the sex drive, resulting in homosexuality. For girls it’s a bit more complicated, but there are similar issues of problems with the mother, difficulty identifying with their gender, and also frequently sex abuse issues. I know this may seem a bit heady for 8-9th graders but I can’t emphasize enough how profound that message was to me when I first heard it. If we as Catholics speak out against the immorality of homosexual acts without providing for homosexuals the love of Christ and the hope he has to offer I think we are doing far more grievous acts of sin than the homosexual in his misdirected search for affirmation. And in truth, your class might not have anyone personally struggling with this issue and it’s still important that you mention this real hope and Christ’s love because they will, at some point in their lives, be examples of Christ to homosexuals, whether they know it or not, and if they demonstrate love and compassion then God can work with the softened heart of the homosexual. Again, I think this discussion is great and thanks for what your doing. God bless!
I completly agree hence why I did not go into detail about this topic when it was asked. I too come from a background where my father “was” there, but not really there as support. My mom was that one that mostly raised me hence my sensitivty issues (allowing others to know me to well). Then only to find out the my own father was having an affair with a married woman for 13 years, during this time he was a lecture and gave the blood of Chrsit to the people at mass! My masculinity was something that I slowly had to pick up through my years. I completly understand where you are comming from and have no hate what so ever to homosexuals, but this “trend” needs to be cushed now, or it will get worst. I will pray for you and for those who endure this strugle.
 
Their parents are the ones watching the TV shows depicting homosexual relationships as normal.
BroRich, now, now…

And just in case, I mean no offense to anyone by saying, where are the parents. Homosexuality is a complicated issue but the Church position needs to be taught and I am sorry parents aren’t teaching it.
 
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