Homosexuality is scripture?

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So my an online friend of mine who is pro same sex marriage says that if heterosexuals or homosexuals commit a sexual sin, the sin is not any worse if it were a homosexual couple than a heterosexual couple.

He says he understands that being homosexual is not a sin within itself though. But he went on to explain that if this were true then why would one condemn a lesbian for being lesbian then go on to commit other sins.

I was a bit confused about what he had said and meant and I am sure you are too. He gave me these verses that would help me understand which I honestly can’t interpret and thought it might help if I ask some of you to interpret them so at least it will be easier to understand what he is trying to explain:

Ezekiel 16:49
“'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.”

Ezekiel 16:50
“They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.”

Genesis 19:5
"They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

Genesis 13:13
“Now the people of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.”
 
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I’m confused about what this guy is saying and what your question is.

The Church teaches that having same-sex attraction is not a sin unless you act on it in some way, such as dwelling on lustful thoughts, or actually engaging in gay sex.

Therefore, being gay, in the sense of having this attraction but not acting on it, is not a sin in itself.

As for “condemning a lesbian for being lesbian then going on to commit other sins”, if a person is condemning a gay person and then committing their own heterosexual sexual sins, then the person is a sinner and should take the plank out of his own eye, as Jesus said. It is not somehow “less sinful” to commit serious heterosexual sins.

The person has then quoted, out of context, four verses from the OT. Catholics generally don’t rely on the OT for their moral teaching, except for the 10 Commandments, of which the 6th Commandment covers all sexual sins whether they are homosexual or heterosexual, so there is no need to look at these verses at all. We also don’t cherry-pick a verse out of context and interpret it.

Is this person Catholic? It’s sounding like they are not, and whatever they’re arguing is not making sense.
 
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If your friend (as it seems) acknowledges that acting out homosexual desire is a sin, so be it. A sin is a sin. It can’t be justified by saying that those who condemn homosexual sins go and commit other sins themselves. Of course they do: we are all sinners. But we are not comparing ourselves to others but responsible to God only who calls us to perfection and who will hold us accountable for all our sins, no matter what they are.
 
They are not Catholic, but they have studied the Bible. He respects Christians and Catholics alike, he just doesn’t agree with what we teach because he believes what we say (specifically Catholics) contradict what is said in the Bible.
 
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They are not Catholic, but they have studied the Bible. He respects Christians and Catholics alike, he just doesn’t agree with what we teach because he believes what we say (specifically Catholics) contradict what is said in the Bible.
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That might be so, but if what you have presented is supposed to be his evidence of that, he hasn’t done a good job.

Similarly to @Tis_Bearself though, I am confused as to how what he supposedly told you (you did say you didn’t really understand him, so perhaps you relayed it incorrectly?) has anything to do with the Bible quotes presented.
 
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So my an online friend of mine who is pro same sex marriage says that if heterosexuals or homosexuals commit a sexual sin, the sin is not any worse if it were a homosexual couple than a heterosexual couple.
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The Old Testament Law of Moses called for different levels of punishments for different sexual sins, suggesting that some sexual sins were considered worse than others. For example, if an unmarried man had sex with an unmarried woman and it was found out, they had to marry each other or at least the man had to give the customary marriage present to the woman’s father. (Exodus 22:16-17) On the other hand, if a man had sex with another man and they were found out, they were both to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:13)
 
Staying within the OP’s post can someone explain please the concept of a ‘worse’ mortal sin.

And is correct that sins are cumulative? For example that the sin of fornication might be one sin and the sin of using artificial contraception be counted as another?

And if so what are the consequences of committing a ‘worse’ or ‘additional’ sin?
 
Yeah, I have hard time interpreting these verses he gave me. And he has explained to me that these verses contradict what the Catholic Church teaches as to if if homosexuality in itself is a sin. What he has explained to me is that if we say homosexuality isn’t a sin then why do these verses condemn homosexuality not as an action, but homosexuality itself a sin.
 
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. He was trying to explain that sexual sin of a couple of the same sex is not duffrent than a sexual sin if a heterosexual couple.
 
I would think if they didn’t repent, they would suffer more in whether it be in hell or in purgatory
 
None of those verses are concerned specifically with homosexuality. It just happened to be part of one of the verses.

Just for a moment, think through the verse with Lot and the two men who were angels…Do we think that the haughty and detestable thing was SSA or is it the rape of a visitor in an age where treating visitors with kindness was of the utmost importance? It was the latter. The homosexual part of it is ancillary to making the point of how far gone the residents of the city actually were. This sort of “over the top” way of making a point is a form of writing that can be found throughout the Old and New Testaments.
 
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Just for a moment, think through the verse with Lot and the two men who were angels…Do we think that the haughty and detestable thing was SSA or is it the rape of a visitor in an age where treating visitors with kindness was of the utmost importance? …
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It was both – but what made it especially detestable, worthy of fiery destruction, was the particular act of inhospitality they were demanding.
Jude 7: Likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural lust,serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

The ones demanding to abuse the visitors were not Jews. Also, the event occurred long before God had even given the Mosaic law! Yet, God was carrying out a very severe punishment for their behavior. What this makes evident is that God has created mankind with an intellect capable of reasoning and recognizing a “natural law written in our hearts by the Creator” (CCC 37).
 
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