Homosexuality: The abomination that announces the reign of antichrist

[soulhunter182]

Hi Guys! Need your help, I was invited to this event in FB

(HOMOSEXUALITY: THE ABOMINATION THAT ANNOUNCES THE REIGN OF ANTICHRIST’) I declined the rsvp and I wrote this on their wall:

*Homosexuality is not the sin, its the cross to these people, it’s the homosexual acts that are to be condemned. God permitted this cross and God loves them, if they choose to carry their cross, they have the greater capacity to be holy and to love more than most of us. God loves each of us in s special way and he made our crosses specific to each person, he is the one true judge not us. *

Correspondence:
**Person1: **Read about the Bible correctly when you talk about judging. There is a thing called righteously judging.

Person2: Only the person who can righteously judge is God, no one in this earth is righteous.

Person1: That’s what you think! There is some saints that pray day and night and doing the best to be HOLY before GOD!

**Me: **Yes, There is, I believe it’s “Do not judge according to appearances, but judge with righteous judgment…”Jhn 7:24 Judging and condemning the person with SSA is just wrong. It’s the sinful act that would condemn the individual not the orientation. None of is us righteous, only Jesus is, no one has the right to judge his brother neighbor etc. Jesus preached love, forgiveness, understanding etc. not prejudice. Jesus also said, “Judge not, that you may not be judged…”

Person1: As I stated earlier, you should read the scripture on judging the word says the Saints of God will judge the world!

**Me: **Yes, to us Lay people they are but none of the saints think that they are righteous before God. Nor did they judge their neighbors, instead of judging them we should pray for the souls and salvation of these people. You said it yourself, “the saints of God will judge the world!..” not us, and we aren’t saints.

Person1: Who are you then? Iam a saint of God.
But the Saints of the most high shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Daniel 7:18 @ Mike (this was for me )you, clearly don’t read, DO you?

Me: I do sweetie, and you’re not saint, and you’re not a theologian. Asides from having your own interpretations of the scriptures, why don’t you read the official catechism of the CC regarding these matters.

I need help guys, I don’t know much what to say to her (Person1) about it, without offending her, I’m not a bible expert either…

To me she sounded like the pharisees that called themselves righteous before Jesus, I fear that if she continue on this path of blindness with spiritual pride, she just might loose her soul. Guys, lets pray for the soul of this person that she maybe enlightened.

 

[EasterJoy]

You can’t teach a pig to sing. You just frustrate yourself and annoy the pig.

You need to shake the dust of that town off of your feet in protest, friend. Leave them to God and go on to the next town.

 

[starsmurf]

I agree with Easter Joy

And don’t cast your pearls before pigs either.

This person is either a Pharisee or deluded. And hasn’t read his/her Bible and Catechism.

BTW there is a new user on here called Person1, you might want to post a message saying it wasn’t them!

 

[catholicmamajoy]

Wow.

That’s not something I’d care to have on my FB page. Decline the event and block the person that sent it. Even if you don’t have a “public” FB account, your site is a representative of you…make sure you’re in agreement with all groups, fan sites, etc that are shown on your page. Think of it like a cyber-resume to all who see it.

 

[DianaCC]

I recommend ending the conversation by just not replying anymore. If you follow the conversation closely you can see that “Person1” is just playing a childish mind game where she zooms in on a word that has two meanings and then she pretends you’re wrong to take it in one meaning but not the other. It’s the same mind game that adopted children play with the words “mother” and “father”, you know, biological versus adoptive. Notice I said children. When *adults *play this game, the conversation is over. You win this game by not playing, Soulhunter. And when you take a step back and look at *what *you two are arguing over, this judging versus who judges versus God versus saints or whatever, it’s an issue that everybody understands already and no sane person would ever have a problem with it.

 

[jrgiancola]

I’m an Orthodox Christian. Homosexuality is considered immoral, but not a sin that condemns someone to hell.

 

[soulhunter182]

You can’t teach a pig to sing. You just frustrate yourself and annoy the pig.

You need to shake the dust of that town off of your feet in protest, friend. Leave them to God and go on to the next town.

Yeah, i guess you’re though, no sense in talking to people that refuse to listen…

 

[soulhunter182]

I agree with Easter Joy

And don’t cast your pearls before pigs either.

This person is either a Pharisee or deluded. And hasn’t read his/her Bible and Catechism.

BTW there is a new user on here called Person1, you might want to post a message saying it wasn’t them!

Yeah, she sounded like a pharisee to me specially when she kept on insisting on the saint thing, although one bad thing i did was i judged her when i got annoyed, i know that i should but i kinda did. Another sin to add on my confession list

 

[soulhunter182]

I agree with Easter Joy

And don’t cast your pearls before pigs either.

This person is either a Pharisee or deluded. And hasn’t read his/her Bible and Catechism.

BTW there is a new user on here called Person1, you might want to post a message saying it wasn’t them!

Oh yeah i forgot, to “person1” here in the forums, that wasn’t you that i was referring to

 

[soulhunter182]

I recommend ending the conversation by just not replying anymore. If you follow the conversation closely you can see that “Person1” is just playing a childish mind game where she zooms in on a word that has two meanings and then she pretends you’re wrong to take it in one meaning but not the other. It’s the same mind game that adopted children play with the words “mother” and “father”, you know, biological versus adoptive. Notice I said children. When *adults *play this game, the conversation is over. You win this game by not playing, Soulhunter. And when you take a step back and look at *what *you two are arguing over, this judging versus who judges versus God versus saints or whatever, it’s an issue that everybody understands already and no sane person would ever have a problem with it.

I took your advice and i didnt reply anymore, she deleted the event i think in FB. Yeah, i think she’s playing minds games with people.

 

[soulhunter182]

I’m an Orthodox Christian. Homosexuality is considered immoral, but not a sin that condemns someone to hell.

Depends on your definition of homosexuality, homosexuality in it self is not sinful nor immoral, the desire that comes is most of the time beyond the control of the person. Its the act of the will in reference with behavior and acting out that becomes sinful. Temptations alone are not sinful unless concent of the will is given.

 

[jrgiancola]

We still do not make a distinction between sins as being mortal or venial. Sin is sin and tends to distance us from God. Homosexual behavior, in my church, is considered a sin. It is neither mortal nor venial. Ones salvation is determined by a different standard. Here it is, from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America website:

JUDGMENT of the soul according to its faith and deeds on earth is an unquestioned teaching of the Gospel. It is also a self-evident demand of human nature and reasoning. The Christian Church places this judgment at the very moment of the death of the individual for two reasons:

Any moral progress of the soul is excluded after its separation from the body; and
there is no hope of repentance or betterment after death.

The moral progress of the soul, either for better or for worse, ends at the very moment of the separation of the body and soul; at that very moment the definite destiny of the soul in the everlasting life is decided. (see Androutsos Dogmatics p. 409).** It will be judged not according to its deeds one by one, but according to the entire total results of its deeds and thoughts.** The Orthodox Church believes that at this moment the soul of the dead person begins to enjoy the consequences of its deeds and thoughts on earth - that is, to enjoy the life in Paradise or to undergo the life in Hell. There.is no way of repentance, no way of escape, no reincarnation and no help from the outside world. Its place is decided forever by its Creator and judge.

The Orthodox Church does not believe in purgatory (a place of purging), that is, the inter-mediate state after death in which the souls of the saved (those who have not received temporal punishment for their sins) are purified of all taint preparatory to entering into Heaven, where every soul is perfect and fit to see God. Also, the Orthodox Church does not believe in indulgences as remissions from purgatoral punishment. Both purgatory and indulgences are inter-corrolated theories, unwitnessed in the Bible or in the Ancient Church, and when they were enforced and applied they brought about evil practices at the expense of the prevailing Truths of the Church. If Almighty God in His merciful loving-kindness changes the dreadful situation of the sinner, it is unknown to the Church of Christ. The Church lived for fifteen hundred years without such a theory.

The Last Judgment is not an act of overthrowing, the judgment of the soul at the time of its separation from the body, but rather to effect a union with the transformed, risen body with which the soul will continue to live forever. After the separation, the soul is conscious and, consequently, feels, understands, and in general exercises all the energies of the soul.(Revelation 6:9-10, 7:15; 1 Peter 3: 19; Hebrews 12:23; Luke 16:27-28). The word “sleep”, by which death is characterized, does not refer to the soul, but to the body. In Matthew 27:52 we read that many Saints, who had fallen asleep, were raised. The Last Judgment will take place on the second coming of Jesus Christ, a strong belief of the Church, recorded in THE CREED that “He (Jesus Christ) shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead”. The time of the second coming of Jesus Christ is not known and, according to Revelation, cannot be conjectured by any means.

Christ the Author of Salvation, Judgement and Ever-lasting life. In short, in regards to death we are confronted with salvation, judgment, and everlasting life in the name of Jesus Christ. The Christian is assured of two things: that he will find the means of salvation in Christ and His true Church and that his future destiny depends upon his present life.

 

[soulhunter182]

This is what I understand, as far as the Catholic Church Goes, Im not an expert though:

We still do not make a distinction between sins as being mortal or venial. Sin is sin and tends to distance us from God.
We do in the RCC. But there are sins that would condemn our soul into hell which are mortal sins, from which if we die with a mortal sin on our soul it would condemn us to hell, but if we die with venial sins, we can go to purgatory.

Homosexual behavior, in my church, is considered a sin.
Same Here it’s a sin, but for the Catholic Church, Homosexual Behaviour is a mortal sin.

Any moral progress of the soul is excluded after its separation from the body; and
there is no hope of repentance or betterment after death. (Agree)
The moral progress of the soul, either for better or for worse, ends at the very moment of the separation of the body and soul; (Agree) at that very moment the definite destiny of the soul in the everlasting life is decided. (Agree) (see Androutsos Dogmatics p. 409). It will be judged not according to its deeds one by one, but according to the entire total results of its deeds and thoughts. (Not sure about this) The Orthodox Church believes that at this moment the soul of the dead person begins to enjoy the consequences of its deeds and thoughts on earth - that is, to enjoy the life in Paradise or to undergo the life in Hell. There.is no way of repentance, no way of escape, no reincarnation and no help from the outside world. Its place is decided forever by its Creator and judge.(Agree, if one was condemned to Hell, but if the soul is in purgatory, the living can help the souls there)

The Orthodox Church does not believe in purgatory (a place of purging), that is, the inter-mediate state after death in which the souls of the saved (those who have not received temporal punishment for their sins) are purified of all taint preparatory to entering into Heaven, where every soul is perfect and fit to see God.
Roman Catholic Church believes in purgatory

Also, the Orthodox Church does not believe in indulgences as remissions from purgatoral punishment. Both purgatory and indulgences are inter-corrolated theories, unwitnessed in the Bible or in the Ancient Church, and when they were enforced and applied they brought about evil practices at the expense of the prevailing Truths of the Church.
RCC, we believe that the church has the authority to give indulgences to the benefit of the souls in purgatory and the souls of the living.

The time of the second coming of Jesus Christ is not known and, according to Revelation, cannot be conjectured by any means.
The RCC, we have 2 judgements. A particular judgement, that’s when a person die and the 2nd coming of Christ, I forgot the term.

Christ the Author of Salvation, Judgement and Ever-lasting life. In short, in regards to death we are confronted with salvation, judgment, and everlasting life in the name of Jesus Christ. The Christian is assured of two things: that he will find the means of salvation in Christ and His true Church and that his future destiny depends upon his present life.

In RCC, if a soul dies in mortal sin, it will go to hell unless the soul was given the grace of final or perfect contrition by God. Even in the lives of the Catholic Saints, if a person dies with even 1 unconfessed/ unrepentant mortal sin on his soul, that soul will be dammed, unless by some grace of God that the soul has a perfect contrition at the point of death. I believe, those were the few differences.

 

[GraceSofia]

I’m an Orthodox Christian. Homosexuality is considered immoral, but not a sin that condemns someone to hell.

The Catholic Church and the Orthodox have the same position on this. The act of committing a sin does not consign one to hell because of the possibility of repentance and reconciliation with God, but if you think that the Orthodox Church condones homosexuality, you need to think again.

**“Homosexuality is a serious sin, the habitual practice of which will cause a man to be estranged from God, **even more than some other sins, because of it’s effect on the soul of the sinner. This sin, and any sin for which an excuse is made, and which is not repented from is in some sense an “abomination”, because of it’s effects on the soul. The temptation to be homosexual is not an abomination, but the habitual, unrepentant practice of this lifestyle is an abomination.” orthodox.net/articles/homosexuality.html?vm=r

And also:

“Thus, the Orthodox Church condemns unreservedly all expressions of personal sexual experience which prove contrary to the definite and unalterable function ascribed to sex by God’s ordinance and expressed in man’s experience as a law of nature. The Orthodox Church believes that homosexuality should be treated by religion as a sinful failure. In both cases, correction is called for. Homosexuals should be accorded the confidential medical and psychiatric facilities by which they can be helped to restore themselves to a self-respecting sexual identity that belongs to them by God’s ordinance. In full confidentiality the Orthodox Church cares and provides pastorally for homosexuals in the belief that no sinner who has failed himself and God should be allowed to deteriorate morally and spiritually. Psychiatric reconciliation is bound to prove short-lived.” goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7101