Honestly, What is this.... Paul VI and black mass at his coronation?

[katewithak]

justme:

If the Pope was overrun by this group then he was not incontrol of the Church, this group was. As this group is described as satanists then the Church was run by Satan so I can see how ByzCath would say that the Gates of Hell had prevailed over the Church as Hell was in control of it.

Nothing more than garbage.

As you are the OP in this, why did you bring this up? I see you are not Catholic. Seems that the motives are suspect here.

Excuse me, what in the world are you guys talking about? I’ve never heard anything so outrageous in my whole life. When it was first posted I just thought it was another sick attack by an anti Catholic, but it seems others are taking it seriously. crazy.
By the way- what is an OP?

 

[Reformed_Rob]

justme:

Nothing more than garbage.

As you are the OP in this, why did you bring this up? I see you are not Catholic. Seems that the motives are suspect here.

OP is “Original Poster”

Understood, but I fear that you have misunderstood me. I’m not here snaeking around trying to subvert your catholic faith. I’ve got almost 800 posts now, if my motives were evil, I probably would not have made it this long. I invite you to scan through my last 300 or 400 posts, or at least %between%this thread.

In using such terms of peace such as “honestly” “keep it civil” and “thanks” I hoped that my motive would be obvious.

It is obvious to all that when leaders fail in their duty, many can be hurt. Christ has severe words for those who corrupt other’s faith. I did not bring up the “problem” of corrupt clergy. My question was clearly stated, and I did not know this fell within the sphere of such a hot potato topic.

So, I apologize for opening door to a “hot topic.” But this is a Catholic forum, and hot topics are always being discussed.

• Bye now

 

[Desert_82]

Once again, in realtion to Ritual Satanic Abuse, some claim that it does not exist. To say so is either gross ignorance of established factual evidence, or an attempt to discourage exploration of the subject. There is ample evidence give on the RCF website of this, all over the US, in a number of dioceses.

There is also the testimony of that other famous priest-author from Chicago. And of attorneys & DAs in CHicago and elsewhere.

Hardly a lack of evidence; there are mountains of it. Eyewitnesses, victims, sworn statements, depositions. Those who have investigated it have found that it is protected from scrutiny by a wall of silence - involving certain law enforcement officials, and chancery offices.

If you will not believe this about the present, then I guess there is no point in reminding you of the MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE from the centuries of ecclesial courts, of priests who were convicted of practising the Black Arts. They were always a minority - but a deadly one.

 

[Desert_82]

“Fr. Malachi Martin was a defrocked Roman Catholic priest who sold out the priesthood to make money writing fiction (he had a vow of poverty).”

Yet this was a man who never owned a house, or a car. Who lived in the home of a Greek Catholic family, in rented quarters. Who spent much of his time answering letters, emails, and calls of those whose parish priests had no time to help them in their faith. He counselled them, confessed them, baptised them, gave them the Last Rites.

He was also known for buying food for families who were desperate & hungry - with his own money.

He also supported - emotionally, spiritually, and financially, at least 40 priests…good, orthodox priests, who were “kicked out” of their home dioceses, penniless, by their apostate bishops.

The heartless comparison to Donald Trump and that kind of egomaniacla self promotion is quite sad.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

“Fr. Malachi Martin was a defrocked Roman Catholic priest who sold out the priesthood to make money writing fiction (he had a vow of poverty).”

Yet this was a man who never owned a house, or a car. Who lived in the home of a Greek Catholic family, in rented quarters. Who spent much of his time answering letters, emails, and calls of those whose parish priests had no time to help them in their faith. He counselled them, confessed them, baptised them, gave them the Last Rites.

He was also known for buying food for families who were desperate & hungry - with his own money.

He also supported - emotionally, spiritually, and financially, at least 40 priests…good, orthodox priests, who were “kicked out” of their home dioceses, penniless, by their apostate bishops.

The heartless comparison to Donald Trump and that kind of egomaniacla self promotion is quite sad.

Would you please back up your claims? All that I said was to take Fr Malachi Martin’s fiction novels with a grain of salt, because they are just that, fiction…

 

[katewithak]

Desert_82:

Once again, in realtion to Ritual Satanic Abuse, some claim that it does not exist. To say so is either gross ignorance of established factual evidence, or an attempt to discourage exploration of the subject. There is ample evidence give on the RCF website of this, all over the US, in a number of dioceses.

There is also the testimony of that other famous priest-author from Chicago. And of attorneys & DAs in CHicago and elsewhere.

Hardly a lack of evidence; there are mountains of it. Eyewitnesses, victims, sworn statements, depositions. Those who have investigated it have found that it is protected from scrutiny by a wall of silence - involving certain law enforcement officials, and chancery offices.

If you will not believe this about the present, then I guess there is no point in reminding you of the MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE from the centuries of ecclesial courts, of priests who were convicted of practising the Black Arts. They were always a minority - but a deadly one.

Good. You have a mountain of evidence. Could you direct us to some of it please? Where is your source?

 

[thistle]

Desert_82:

Once again, in realtion to Ritual Satanic Abuse, some claim that it does not exist. To say so is either gross ignorance of established factual evidence, or an attempt to discourage exploration of the subject. There is ample evidence give on the RCF website of this, all over the US, in a number of dioceses.

There is also the testimony of that other famous priest-author from Chicago. And of attorneys & DAs in CHicago and elsewhere.

Hardly a lack of evidence; there are mountains of it. Eyewitnesses, victims, sworn statements, depositions. Those who have investigated it have found that it is protected from scrutiny by a wall of silence - involving certain law enforcement officials, and chancery offices.

If you will not believe this about the present, then I guess there is no point in reminding you of the MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE from the centuries of ecclesial courts, of priests who were convicted of practising the Black Arts. They were always a minority - but a deadly one.

How can you claim to be a Catholic and believe this rubbish???

 

[Reformed_Rob]

thistle:

How can you claim to be a Catholic and believe this rubbish???

Thistle,

Hello - I believe perhaps you are reading too much into Desert’s comments. He will have to speak for himself on that, but what is it exactly that you take issue with? He has yet to present some evidence for us to actually see.

Is it that there may be people in powerful positions in the Church that are bad examples of fidelity Catholic faithfulness? Or maybe not even “powerful positions,” maybe just on the dioscesian level, some bad lemons here and there?

There’s something called “* latae* sententiae " (as opposed to "ferendae sententiae”) excommunication. The basic idea is that a person is cut off from the church by virtue of what they believe, deny, or do. Abortion, or the assistance thereof, for instance. Automatic excommunication. Doesnt’ require the Roman Bishop, or any Bishop, to pronounce the ruling there. It just “is.” There’s more to it than that, but suffice to say that obstinate Satanists are not “in” the Catholic Church. Was it the Novations, or Donatists, I forget, a council said all the rulings made by them were null and void. Why, because the men weren’t Catholic, they didn’t have authority. Let me look it up real quick… Yeah, it was at Ephesus (against Nestorians), the Synodical Letter about the expulsion of the Eastern Bishops. I quote:

If any **clerics **either in city or country have been suspended by Nestorius and those with him from their priesthood because of their orthodoxy, we have thought it right that these should regain their proper rank;

**Whoever **have been condemned of improper practices by the holy synod or by their own bishops, and have been uncanonically restored to communion and rank by Nestorius or his sympathisers, with their habitual lack of discrimination, such persons we have decreed gain nothing by this and are to remain deposed as before.

Similarly if **anyone **should wish in any way to upset the decisions in each point taken in the holy synod of Ephesus, the holy synod decides that if they are bishops or clerics they should be completely deprived of their own rank and if they are *laity *they should be excommunicated.

You may say, “well, they just lose their office” Ok, but they do lose that, latae sententiae, that’s the modern view, for, I guess maybe 1000 years now.

I’m not implying that Pope Paul VI was a satanist. I’d affirm the opposite, that he was a good Pope, as far as what I have been able to see.