How are concepts created

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Satan was the first evil thing, but how could he become evil if the concept wasnt created yet, I’m aware free will exists but still.

Is it that things can of their own accord create concepts seperate from God or did these concepts already exist.
 
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Satan was the first evil thing, but how could he become evil if the concept wasnt created yet, I’m aware free will exists but still.

Is it that things can of their own accord create concepts seperate from God or did these concepts already exist.
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Evil is really the lack of some perfection that should be in a thing, and moral evil is when an intellectual entity wills to act against their nature (and so choose not to perfect it or even reduce its perfections). All of these intelligible concepts and knowledge are known by God and deductible by rational creatures like us, and the angels are infused with knowledge of what is proper to them and what is not. Some willed to do otherwise.
 
But that would mean with the existence of God, there would also be the existence of the possibility of evil, meaning there was never a time when the concept of evil was not, would that not be true?

Evil as a concept had to be known by God but have a possible starting point unlike God, that is the only way evil could happen. The possibility of Truth, Good, Order etc. started with God who is omnipotent and ever existing, also being cohabitant with evil would mean ever since there was a God, evil was a possibility.

Evil had to have been created, I believe by misuse of Good will of Freedom of Will.

I think satan created the possibility of evil, and all things that flow from it, and all evil things that stem from that are because Angel’s who fell in their free will created that possibility.

However my belief is contrary to catholic dogma “factorem omnium”, God created all. But that would mean he created evil which can’t be true. This is my dilemma
 
A concept, looks like you are equating to an idea. Correct me if I am wrong.
Satan rejected serving on GOD’s plan.
Evil is acting contrary to good. So by acting against GOD’s plan (Good) he chose to follow the road that ends in evil acts albeit a spirit he still can use his intelligence to go against GOD by suggesting to us for example to sin.
All the concepts that we can think of GOD already knew them and Satan being a very powerful angel also had and has many ideas. We are late comers to this play since our intelligence being more limited.
We don’t create concepts or ideas. Since GOD is all knowing all concepts and all ideas are known to HIM.

Peace!
 
In Judaism, we also believe Gd created all INCLUDING evil. That does not, however, mean that Gd Himself is evil. Of course we do not believe HaSatan is evil either nor that he revolted against Gd. That would give HaSatan too much power such that there is a nearly equal dichotomy in the universe between Gd and the devil, good and evil. We believe instead that HaSatan does the dirty work of tempting mankind but in the service of Gd, while hoping man does not fall into sin. Different religious beliefs but we avoid the dilemma you are posing.
 
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Satan’s sin was disobedience of God. Anything in creation outside of God’s will is ipso facto evil, i.e. “less good” than it otherwise could and should be. Any choice which is opposed to the will of God is an anomaly in nature, something which “should not be”. The gift of free will gave rise to the possibility of such an act. That, combined with the fact that creation is inherently inferior to or less perfect than its perfect Creator made possible imperfect choices IMO. We’re here now to learn of the fallacy and foolishness of such a choice, of our absolute need for God, ‘apart from Whom we can do nothing’ John 15:5. We’re here to grow in our own perfection IOW, which would automatically bring us into agreement with God.

God allows evil, for His purposes, knowing the beginning from the end and determining to bring an even greater good out of it in the end. He made His world in a “state of journeying” to its ultimate perfection as the catechism teaches and the will of his creation-our wills-are intrinsically involved in participating at arriving at that perfection, by His wisdom and will, as we have the freedom to discern and decide between good and evil. He is not the direct cause of evil; He wills that evil/rebellion should have the freedom to play out its hand, for a time, after which evil will no longer be allowed to coexist with good.
 
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We dont believe God created evil though, the only time God has ever claimed this is when he says “I create woe” not evil
 
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Yeah I know what woe means, I mean God said he is the one who brings (word here is “ra”)" which is usually translated as evil but it means woe, that’s my point God doesnt bring evil like the Jewish person claimed
 
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Mate I know God allows evil I mean how was evil created, by the devil falling away is what I think, but then that means the concept of evil was not always possible until it was made.

Point being either rejection of God always existed as a possibility or it was made, the confusing part is if it was made does this contradict the saying God is maker of all things visible or invisible since he cannot make evil

It’s just a question
 
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And the Church’s answer is that evil has no existence on its own apart from good. Augustine actually put it this way,
“The only possible source of evil, is good.”

This is because everything God creates is good. IOW moral evil-sin-is not a created reality, as if God created it. Instead it’s a perversion or twisting or detraction from some created good, by a created being abusing his gift of free will. So pride is inordinate self-love, self-love being a normal, healthy, and good aspect of our natures. Gluttony is the abuse of the normal appetite for food, lust for sex, greed for our need for security and sustenance. Etc
 
It’s actually pretty simple.

The free will of angels and humans means there is a potential for the misdirection of love away from God. That misdirection of love is Evil. It’s a potentiality existing from the instant God created the first beings with the facility to choose for themselves.
 
According to St Augustine. evil is the absence of good and has no positive nature.
 
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God created/ designed, decreed and directs every our evil act, for the reason to convert them into greater good.
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Catholic Encyclopedia : Evil
“But we cannot say without denying the Divine omnipotence, that another equally perfect universe could not be created in which evil would have no place.”
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If God would willed, He would create all of us like He created Mary, with the privilege of immunity from sin and in this world would be no one commit even a single act of sin.
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CCC 310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world in a state of journeying towards its ultimate perfection, 314 through the dramas of evil and sin. – God created the dramas of evil and sin for our benefit.

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THE REASON GOD CREATED THE DRAMAS OF EVIL AND SIN.

Life without suffering would produce spoiled brats, not joyful saints.

Our struggle and tribulation while journeying towards our ultimate perfection through the dramas of evil and sin is the cost which in-prints the virtue/ nobility into our souls – the cost of our road to nobility and perfection.

In this world man has to learn by experience and contrast, and to develop by the overcoming of obstacles (Lactantius, “De ira Dei”, xiii, xv, VII. St. Augustine “De ordine”, I, vii, n. 18 in “P.L.” 986).
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As we see above, we are all sinners because God willed to create us to be sinners for good reason, for the benefit of the entire human race.

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Free Will explains;

“God is the author of all causes and effects, but is not the author of sin, because an action ceases to be sin if God wills it to happen. Still God is the cause of sin.
God’s omnipotent providence exercises a complete and perfect control over all events that happen, or will happen, in the universe.”

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Divine Providence explains;

His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.

God preserves the universe in being; He acts in and with every creature in each and all its activities.

He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created.

Evil He converts into good (Genesis 1:20; cf. Psalm 90:10); and suffering He uses as an instrument whereby to train men up as a father traineth up his children (Deuteronomy 8:1-6; Psalm 65:2-10;

Evil, therefore, ministers to God’s design (St. Gregory the Great, op. cit., VI, xxxii in “P.L.”

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm

CCC 324 Faith gives us the certainty that God would not permit an evil if he did not cause a good to come from that very evil, by ways that we shall fully know only in eternal life.
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CCC 313; St.Thomas More, shortly before his martyrdom, consoled his daughter: “Nothing can come but that that God wills. And I make me very sure that whatsoever that be, seem it never so bad in sight, it shall indeed be the best.” 182
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There is nothing outside God’s creating, sustaining and governing will.
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God bless
 
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