How can a Christian be pro choice ??

[Rete]

As I posted earlier, this is one of the earliest Church document we know of:

And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten. You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself, Matthew 5:34 you shall not bear false witness, Exodus 20:16 you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm

It’s always been murder. People are really grasping if they convinced themselves it’s somehow a sin that is not murder. That has never changed.

 

[CMatt25]

How is your post relevant to the OP’s original comment? The Church isn’t a democracy. Just because the “majority” believes in something contrary to Church teaching, by who’s authority does it mean that they are right and Christ’s Church is wrong?

You’re the one who asked.“You do know that birth control is against Church teaching right?” Though it wasn’t clear who you were asking, Rence, a Catholic, who mentioned Catholics use birth control or asking me, a Christian, or who? The relevancy was you have people who say Christians can’t be pro choice and judging them not to be Christians. (Though even though you and Catholics may disagree with them, Christians have now explained how they can be.) And of course the Catholic Church is not a democracy. But if so many Catholics in the real world do use birth control and are not following all Catholic teaching, I was just wondering if the holier Catholics always follow all teaching? I also don’t know though if those who use birth control are confessing and then using it again, and confessing or what?

 

[Regina_Love]

Pro choice is a sugary sounding word attempting to hide the evil it supports. Are you pro-choice? So then, you are pro-death. That is the truth of it. What you support is the “RIGHT” to kill babies. What you support is that we can keep killing babies. What you support is Mothers killing their babies. What you support is death. At least admit the truth you are pro-death.

I support a womans right to choose to parent or find an adoptive family for her baby. Over 2 million seekers each year cannot find a baby to adopt! They wait year, after year, after year for the expensive, and great priviledge of adopting. We sure did! There is fierce competition for babies. Our Birthmom was offered thousands of dollars for her unborn son! Enough to put her through college in luxury, but she chose us instead. We met all 10 conditions she had on her list of ideal parents. What she wanted was to give her son the best life!

She was there when he was Baptised, made his first communion, and Confirmation. She has gone camping with us. She did finish college, and is a wonderful Nurse. She is eagerly awaiting our son’s graduation from high school this Spring! This is true femininity! To support each other during the hard times, and to make each others dreams come true! To do what ever it takes to create a win win situation.

Birth Parents can list any qualities they want & find it. There are soooo many families to choose from. You can have a closed adoption, semi open, or completely open adoption. I think one of the best things about considering adoption, is that 9 months is a long time. Women who start out thinking, “NO way do I want to parent now!” May find they grow into the idea. They may decide they do want this baby! Adoption gives you 9 months to decide. It gives you 9 months to make life style changes, and look for solutions.

Saying that a baby is better off dead, doesn’t help a mother. That is false compassion! It only caters to her dispair, and hopelessness. We have so much more to offer than that! Abortion robs a woman of seeing the miracles God had planned for her & her baby. Just ask Colin Kapernick

 

[Evania]

You’re the one who asked.“You do know that birth control is against Church teaching right?” Though it wasn’t clear who you were asking, Rence, a Catholic, who mentioned Catholics use birth control or asking me, a Christian, or who? The relevancy was you have people who say Christians can’t be pro choice and judging them not to be Christians. (Though even though you and Catholics may disagree with them, Christians have now explained how they can be.) And of course the Catholic Church is not a democracy. But if so many Catholics in the real world do use birth control and are not following all Catholic teaching, I was just wondering if the holier Catholics always follow all teaching? I also don’t know though if those who use birth control are confessing and then using it again, and confessing or what?

I wouldn’t say that I’m holy. God knows that I’m striving. Yes, I try to follow all of the Church’s teaching in thought, word, and deed.

 

[Evania]

Pro choice is a sugary sounding word attempting to hide the evil it supports. Are you pro-choice? So then, you are pro-death. That is the truth of it. What you support is the “RIGHT” to kill babies. What you support is that we can keep killing babies. What you support is Mothers killing their babies. What you support is death. At least admit the truth you are pro-death.

I support a womans right to choose to parent or find an adoptive family for her baby. Over 2 million seekers each year cannot find a baby to adopt! They wait year, after year, after year for the expensive, and great priviledge of adopting. We sure did! There is fierce competition for babies. Our Birthmom was offered thousands of dollars for her unborn son! Enough to put her through college in luxury, but she chose us instead. We met all 10 conditions she had on her list of ideal parents. What she wanted was to give her son the best life!

She was there when he was Baptised, made his first communion, and Confirmation. She has gone camping with us. She did finish college, and is a wonderful Nurse. She is eagerly awaiting our son’s graduation from high school this Spring! This is true femininity! To support each other during the hard times, and to make each others dreams come true! To do what ever it takes to create a win win situation.

Birth Parents can list any qualities they want & find it. There are soooo many families to choose from. You can have a closed adoption, semi open, or completely open adoption. I think one of the best things about considering adoption, is that 9 months is a long time. Women who start out thinking, “NO way do I want to parent now!” May find they grow into the idea. They may decide they do want this baby! Adoption gives you 9 months to decide. It gives you 9 months to make life style changes, and look for solutions.

Saying that a baby is better off dead, doesn’t help a mother. That is false compassion! It only caters to her dispair, and hopelessness. We have so much more to offer than that! Abortion robs a woman of seeing the miracles God had planned for her & her baby. Just ask Colin Kapernick

Beautiful post!

 

[Rence]

Evania, I actually have the God given ability to grasp and understand both sides of many issues including this one.

I always try to consider that most people try to find a balance in their lives by seeing more than just one side of a situation or senario.

 

[Maria1993]

They can’t.

Who are we to say who lives and who dies? What right do we have? We are not God. We do not have the right to end someone’s life. IT IS NOT OUR RIGHT.

What a terrible day it will be when the true God judges us all!

Tell me, do you think The Lord who knitted all of us together in our Mothers wombs, will let this pass? His work is being destroyed. The Lord is being gracious with us, But when he comes it will be a great and terrifying day. Repent.

Just because someone is not pro-choice does not mean we are sexist. Women fought long and hard up to jumping in front of horse carriages to be treated equally, and now they are being objectified. No abortion is safe. Many have died, but when that happens, that is when the pro-choice community is silent.

 

[Brendan_64]

I know Judas betrayed and Peter denied Christ, and Thomas doubted. But I have no idea if Judas is in hell. The last I read the Catholic Church hadn’t declared either that he or any specific person is in hell. Or do you or the Catholic Church now believe you know if Judas or anyone else for that matter is in hell?

What has that got to do with anything?

The Catholic Church does not knowledge of anyone who is in Hell. That decision is down to God and his divine mercy. How can anyone on Earth declare that an individual is in Hell?

That, however, does not mean that nobody is in Hell, that sin doesn’t exist, or that mortal sin doesn’t exist. Nor does it necessarily mean that God forgives all sins. Ultimately God decides on a sinner’s culpability, but that doesn’t mean that the person hasn’t carried out a grave sin.

As humans we can’t say whether even the most vicious prolific murderers are in hell or not (God alone decides and knows that). It doesn’t follow however that we cannot be certain that murder isn’t an extremely serious mortal sin. Of course it is.

 

[Evania]

I always try to consider that most people try to find a balance in their lives by seeing more than just one side of a situation or senario.

I try to do the same too, except in cases where innocent people are slaughtered.

 

[Regina_Love]

God does teach us what actions to avoid. God wants us to love all people. That includes mother, and baby! 1st John 3:14 “…Whoever does not love remains in death…and you know that no murderer has eternal life remaining in him.”

Loving the mother is to encourage her, to lovingly care for her unborn child. After birth she may choose to parent, or adopt a family for her baby. That is a loving choice to all involved. 1st John 3:16 “…we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.” or our babies

Supporting Abortion is gravely evil. The baby will loose his or her life, but that is not the worst of it! The Mother may loose her eternal life! By condoning abortion you enter into this sin with her! You are partially responsible for this baby’s death, and her loss of salvation! Let us not enter into sin, by our misplaced compassion for her situation. Instead let us truely love her through her pregnancy, and assist her with encouragement as she discerns whether to parent, or seek adoption services. Babies are a blessing from God, which people intuitively recognise when they hold them for the first time.

Check out Lifetimeadoption.com There is a loving option.

 

[polki]

Anyone who calls a fetus a parasite is just regurgitating false propaganda that the pro-choice movement have created to make women feel comfortable choosing to kill their own offspring. Even some of the pro-choice leaders are starting to come out now and admit that fetuses are not parasites, that they are indeed children, but with the attitude of “so what? If a woman doesn’t want her unborn child for whatever reason she has a right to get rid of it.” At least they are calling it what it really is, finally.

The pro choice agenda is starting to want to remove “choice” from the label. They really want abortion on demand regardless of cost. That is their goal. They do not want women to feel that they should have to “choose”. In fact, they don’t even think a woman should have to pay for it. They think “health” insurance should cover it, which really means your money even if you don’t morally agree with that “choice”. They want women to feel “entitled”, to feel they have a “right” to abort their children for any reason.

With generations being raised with their government saying it is “legal and OK” to kill your unborn child, unless we take a moral stand that it is NOT OK, the pro abortion agenda will continue to flourish. It is not a religious issue. It is a basic human rights issue. So you can “support a woman’s choice” but just realize the underlying agenda of what you are really supporting. Then, to answer the original question, ask yourself “am I being a good Christian by being ‘prochoice’?”