How can a denomination be sure that their beliefs is the one that's correct?

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Since some verses in the Bible aren’t to be taken literally, every denomination has their own interpretation of them. Now, how can one (in this case the catholic church) be sure that what they believe is the right one. (I’m currently not a part of a certain denomination)
God gave us2 things. Reason and History. You must investigate what Church has proven throughout History to be the true Church Christ started.

You have common sense given to you from God to see if things add up and make sense.
 
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Who are the legitimate successors? Among the Catholics? Among the Orthodox? Among the Orientals? Among the Coptics? They all cannot be “legitimate” successors speaking for the apostles when they all speak different things…some of them very significant “differences”…can they?🙂
With humily…and if pride is extinguished…🙂

I recently listened to a CA episode, featuring this very subject several weeks ago. The differences between the CC and OC can be boiled to one issue…the manner of Church governance.

The decentralized structure of the Orthodox (adapted after the schism) or the hierarchial model of the CC.

My question is: Which model has served Christianity better-post schism? In today’s times, which one would serve Christianity better?
 
Both. Im 22 years old and I was raised in the Associate Reformed Presbyterian church (about as calvinistic as it gets).

A lot of thought and prayer has gone into this and hopefully one day I can find a spiritual home b/c its a quite exhausting search. At the moment its Orthodoxy and catholicism that seem to be the most likely if I can somehow get along with my extremely reformed family and friends.
To help your search along…some insightful articles:

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/HISTERMS.HTM

Evangelicals Who Journey East" …cfpeople.org/Apologetics/page51a033.html

catholicity.com/commentary/ryland/08198.html
 
Let me say onething…if you ask for courage from God…will he instantly zap you and you have instant courage? Or will He give you the oppurtunity to display courage and act courageously?

If you ask for patience, will He instantly zap you to give you instand patience? Or will He test your patience…so that you can exercise patience?

And with this in mind…truly seeking Christ and His church…He will show you the way…to His church…and I commend your humility in seeking this church.

Anyway…for your reading…and I hope this helps:

The 4 marks of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m3/Mod3.html

The Splendor of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m1/splndr.html
Thank you, I appreciate your encouragment.
 
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With humily…and if pride is extinguished…🙂

I recently listened to a CA episode, featuring this very subject several weeks ago. The differences between the CC and OC can be boiled to one issue…the manner of Church governance.

The decentralized structure of the Orthodox (adapted after the schism) or the hierarchial model of the CC.

My question is: Which model has served Christianity better-post schism? In today’s times, which one would serve Christianity better?
I don’t believe the Orthodox would agree that the “differences between the CC and OC” is as simple and irrelevant as it simply being “boilded to one issue”…soteriology, Mariology, ecclesiology,life after death, purgatory, papal infallibility, and a few others cannot be “boiled” down ot “one issue”.

If they could be boiled down to “one issue” of such simplicity…and yet still cannot reconcile…what message does that send?🤷

The differences between Protestant groups are not nearly as insurmountable as they are among “apostolic” groups…we worship together, pray together, many if not most of us even are able to celebrate communion together. Our doctrinal differences don’t seem to bother us nearly as much as the differences between the “apostolic” groups do one another.
 
Once the issue of church governance is settled…everything will fall in place easily.
The differences between Protestant groups are not nearly as insurmountable as they are among “apostolic” groups…we worship together, pray together, many if not most of us even are able to celebrate communion together. Our doctrinal differences don’t seem to bother us nearly as much as the differences between the “apostolic” groups do one another.
Well…if they are not nearly as insurmountable…how come protestants still have no one body to speak for them? Or why have these not been settled?

Or is it rather…because these really are insurmountable…protestants have chosen to ignore them…to have surface unity?
 
Because we do not see them as significant enough to separate us from one another…we are One in Christ, and in HIm the unity we seek is hardly “surface”…“to know the height and the depth of the love of Christ” is our Unity. We don’t find the need for “one body” to speak for us…we are quite able to speak for ouirselves…and work together even though we have our differenes…'non-essentials"…we have One Father, One Lord and even One baptism, except for those fellowships that believe in a particular mode of water baptism, most of us need not submit to another ritual baptism…exept to be a member of the organization, but we still don’t deny there is only One Church…organizational unity is not nearly as important as being One in Christ…oh, there are some Protestant groups that tend to be separatists…and insist on a certain mode or stance be adhered to…but they’re not the majority.

I have never been baptized in water, but I have shared the pulpit with Methodists, Nazarenes, Mennonites, Brethren, Evangelical Friends. Even though I do not believe in any efficacy of the sacred meal, I have shared in that meal with Episcopalians, Mennonites, Methodists, Brethren and Nazarenes. I have washed the feet of my Mennonite brother and Brethren brother, as well as an Episcopalian brother. It is Christ who joins us to one another…not our organizational structure or a creed recited…but the common Lord who joins us to His Body…if we are members of His Body, we ARE one…inspite of our differences, because the one thing we share is Him and His grace, mercy and love.

There are Protestants that want to make the “differences” as important as Catholics want to make them…it’s just the majority of us don’t embrace the Catholic understanding that our differences separate us…it’s not our similarities that join us…it’s Christ Himself that joins us.
 
Because we do not see them as significant enough to separate us from one another…we are One in Christ, and in HIm the unity we seek is hardly “surface”…“to know the height and the depth of the love of Christ” is our Unity. We don’t find the need for “one body” to speak for us…we are quite able to speak for ouirselves…and work together even though we have our differenes…'non-essentials"…we have One Father, One Lord and even One baptism, except for those fellowships that believe in a particular mode of water baptism, most of us need not submit to another ritual baptism…exept to be a member of the organization, but we still don’t deny there is only One Church…organizational unity is not nearly as important as being One in Christ…oh, there are some Protestant groups that tend to be separatists…and insist on a certain mode or stance be adhered to…but they’re not the majority.
 
Let me say onething…if you ask for courage from God…will he instantly zap you and you have instant courage? Or will He give you the oppurtunity to display courage and act courageously?

If you ask for patience, will He instantly zap you to give you instand patience? Or will He test your patience…so that you can exercise patience?

And with this in mind…truly seeking Christ and His church…He will show you the way…to His church…and I commend your humility in seeking this church.

Anyway…for your reading…and I hope this helps:

The 4 marks of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m3/Mod3.html

The Splendor of the Church…star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m1/splndr.html
The ability to trace one’s church back to the “first church” through apostolic succession is an argument used by a number of different churches to assert that their church is the “one true church.” The Roman Catholic Church makes this claim. The Greek Orthodox Church makes this claim. Some Protestant denominations make this claim. Some of the “Christian” cults make this claim. How do we know which church is correct? The biblical answer is – it does not matter! ( read gotquestions.org/original-church.html )
 
The ability to trace one’s church back to the “first church” through apostolic succession is an argument used by a number of different churches to assert that their church is the “one true church.” The Roman Catholic Church makes this claim. The Greek Orthodox Church makes this claim.

Correct…both can trace their founding from the Apostles…and there was only on church…The Catholic Church…prior to the 1054 Schism with the Orthodox. The CC recognizes the apostolic founding of the Orthodox.

So
me Protestant denominations make this claim.
 
Onenow, surely you know other Christians interpret that Jesus built His Church on the words of Peter, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” God’s blessings and peace to along your faith journey.
Yes but Matt, when did those Christians start interpreting and by whose authority?

The Holy Spirit cannot teach against Himself.

Millions of Catholic (and orthodox) Christians, in reading the same Scriptures, contemplating the same historical traditions and writings, and guided by the Spirit through much prayer, have reached a different, and a much ‘older’ interpretation.

Do you really think that God is so ‘unsporting’ that He has given us an authority of any kind (and this goes for whether you believe that The Church, The Bible, The Holy Spirit, or “The Conscience” is your authority) that cannot **BE an authority? **

What would be the point of having an authority if you weren’t certain of it?

If the authority gave you one ‘truth’ and somebody else a completely different one?

How unGod like is the concept of a God who doesn’t ‘care’, a God who gives different truths, a God who just sits in the clouds and expects people to pick from amongst literally thousands of so-called truths the one ‘real truth’. . .

It goes against everything that Scripture and Tradition and history itself tell us. It goes against our deepest instincts of reason. 😦

See, here’s the thing. I perfectly understand that I cannot grasp the entire truth about God, because I’m not God. We all know that as human beings, we are never going to be able to grasp the entire truth about anything.

BUT. . .there is a difference between saying, “I will never be able to understand the whole truth about what the Trinity is while I am on earth” (which is perfectly true) and saying, "There is no WAY to know the TRUTH about the Trinity.’

And that’s a mistake I think a lot of people are making --the mistake in thinking that because a concept is beyond our grasp in TOTAL, that what we CAN grasp in our human intellect is something that is capable of several different but ‘equal’ truths.

Rather, while we will not know on earth the fullness of what the Trinity is, we know for SURE that it is Three Divine Persons in One God.

Sadly, Matt, we have Christian brothers and sisters who won’t even accept this truth.

I have the greatest respect for Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses for example, and I’m the first to say that they try to follow a very Christian PATH in many ways, but they are not themselves truly Christian because they refuse to accept a fundamental dogma of what a Christian IS. If I claim to follow Christ but the Christ I follow is 'some good guy but not a god", then I’m not really following the Real Christ. I’m following a fake Christ. The fake Christ might have some ‘good qualities’ but ultimately he is fake, and I’m in huge danger of following some of the false aspects to my downfall if I ignore the truth of who Christ really is.

It matters. We can’t be indifferent, we can’t be relativists. . .we have to seek the truth and we have to know that the truth is something which is fundamentally real, solid, unchangeable and capable of being understood sufficiently by those who seek it.
 
The ability to trace one’s church back to the “first church” through apostolic succession is an argument used by a number of different churches to assert that their church is the “one true church.” The Roman Catholic Church makes this claim. The Greek Orthodox Church makes this claim. Some Protestant denominations make this claim. Some of the “Christian” cults make this claim. How do we know which church is correct? The biblical answer is – it does not matter! ( read gotquestions.org/original-church.html )
Oh I see…
We thought you were here to ask questions.
You’re really here to preach to us.
Gotcha.
:rolleyes:
 
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