How can God not be selfish in creating people who will go to hell?

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If God is risking the eternal suffering of some of his creatures by giving them free will, for the sake of his own glory, how can this not be a selfish act?
 
He’s always hopeful for our repentance.
It’s US who choose death, not life. Like a loving Father, He permits us to choose freely.
He doens’t create people to fall. He creates us to live with HIm in paradise for all eternity
 
  1. It is good for God to be selfish
  2. A hellish existence is still a higher good than non-existence.
 
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  1. It is good for God to be selfish
  2. A hellish existence is still a higher good than non-existence.
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God is incapable of sin, incapable of imperfection. He is not and cannot be selfish.
Also God did not create anyone for Hell. He created us for Heaven.
 
“If God is risking the eternal suffering of some of his creatures by giving them free will, for the sake of his own glory, how can this not be a selfish act?”

See Romans 5. People go to Hell because they sin, which is the result of their sin nature, inherited through the father’s line, from Adam.

Not God’s fault people go to Hell.

To the contrary, God would be perfectly justified in not saving anyone. But, because He is merciful, He does condescend to save the elect.
 
I get it. We have free will. God doesn’t cause us to go to hell. I don’t care. God has the power to stop every person from suffering eternally. But he doesn’t, because the very existence of the damned brings him glory, and he would rather have that than prevent his creatures from suffering eternally. How can this not be selfish?
 
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Would a judge be selfish for not just declaring all the criminals not guilty and letting them go free?
 
Are you angry at God for something specific? (Not about selfishness.) How may I help you?
God was not selfish when he sent his SON to die on the cross!
 
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God being selfish is not a sin or an imperfection.

Hell is better than non-existence. This is a fact.
 
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If God is risking the eternal suffering of some of his creatures by giving them free will, for the sake of his own glory, how can this not be a selfish act?
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Catechism
412 But why did God not prevent the first man from sinning? St. Leo the Great responds, "Christ’s inexpressible grace gave us blessings better than those the demon’s envy had taken away."307 And St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "There is nothing to prevent human nature’s being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, ‘Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more’; and the Exsultet sings, ‘O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!’"308
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Baltimore Catechism
6. Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.
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Ah yes, the classic problem of evil. I’m afraid nobody has the answer my friend, you have asked THE question. Faith has its good things but also its challenges, just like Atheism, I’m afraid it’s a love it or leave it kind of thing. But know this: God loves you unconditionally and he will never turn away from you (hard to believe, given the very nature of human existence, but true).
 
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Selfish would have been not giving us free will.

I had a friend who I grew up with who’s Father was an absolute tyrant.

The Son was obedient, but out of fear instead of Love.

We are obident to our,heavenly Father out of love, not fear.

Although “fear of God” is a prevalent phrase in scripture, it means to be in awe of his wonder, glory, and power rather than to be afraid of.

GOD IS LOVE!
 
If we didn’t have free will would we really exist?

I also think the main issue is misunderstanding what is meant when “for His own glory” is said.
 
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No, because God freely gives. Gives us life, goodness, and the ability to choose whether or not we want to do good or be hurtful fearful people. Positivity or negativity?
Choose well.

God is not selfish. Quite the contrary. If he were he’d remove all the non-believers with a wave of His hand. He always receives those who turn toward good.
 
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The Parable of the weeds tells why.

The wheat must grow up amongst the weeds.

In other words, evil in the world makes for a surplus of Christians. W/O evil, what choice could Christians make?
 
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If God is risking the eternal suffering of some of his creatures by giving them free will, for the sake of his own glory, how can this not be a selfish act?
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In that context, getting out of bed in the morning is risky and should be avoided.
And keep you children in their rooms, they might get hurt.
 
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