How dare the church change the Word of God?

[Robert_Heibel]

**Jesus said: (Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”(Luke 6:27-28) “But I say this to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly. To the man who slaps you on one cheek, present the other cheek too; to the man who takes your cloak from you, do not refuse your tunic.”

Paul tells us this: (Romans 12:17-19) “Never repay evil with evil but let everyone see that you are interested only in the highest ideals. Do all you can to live at peace with everyone. Never try to get revenge; leave that, my friends, to God’s anger. As scripture says: Vengeance is mine, I will pay them back, the Lord promises.’

Don’t you wonder how far the church had to fall to lose the grace to live (Matthew 5:44), (Luke 6:27-28), (Romans 12:17-19)? Also how the church went about manipulating (interpreting) the Word of God to make it seem they had the right to change the Word of God?

Paul in (Galatians 1:8-9) “and let me warn you that if anyone preaches a version of the Good News different from the one we have already preached to you, whether it be ourselves or an angel from heaven, he is to be condemned.” What Paul said, is Scriptural, and he didn’t give anyone the right to change the Word of God. Not even the Church!**

 

[Genesis315]

Phew. It’s a good thing the Church has never changed the Word of God.

By the way, interpretation is only manipulation if you interpret it wrong

 

[Jabronie]

I’m sorry that the Protestants changed the Word of God by removing seven books from the Bible, but I don’t know what you expect us Catholics to do about it.

 

[Robert_Heibel]

Jabronie:

I’m sorry that the Protestants changed the Word of God by removing seven books from the Bible, but I don’t know what you expect us Catholics to do about it.

First I’m not a protestant, second the protestants didn’t take out Matthew, Luke or Romans.

You are correct. Manipulation it is.

 

[TNT]

Robert Heibel:

First I’m not a protestant, second the protestants didn’t take out Matthew, Luke or Romans.

You are correct. Manipulation it is.

I’m trying to follow your evidence, but cannot get the point.

Could you explain? Are you talking about some particular translation of the Word?

BTW:
If you’re not a protestant, then WHY are you protesting against the Church and stay outside of the Spotless Bride of Christ because of that protest? For that is the definition of protest-ant.

 

[Robert_Heibel]

TNT:

I’m trying to follow your evidence, but cannot get the point.

Could you explain? Are you talking about some particular translation of the Word? If Jesus told us to love our enemies,** how then can the church justify war?**

BTW:
If you’re not a protestant, then WHY are you protesting against the Church? For that is the definition pf protest-ant.

Was Paul a protestant when he told Peter he was wrong?

 

[beobab]

Robert Heibel:

First I’m not a protestant, second the protestants didn’t take out Matthew, Luke or Romans.

You are correct. Manipulation it is.

Sorry if I am dense, but who took out Matthew, Luke or Romans from their bibles?

Thanks,

Beobab​

(It is possible I’ve missed the point, please enlighten me!)

 

[MGEISING]

beobab:

Sorry if I am dense, but who took out Matthew, Luke or Romans from their bibles?

Thanks,

Beobab​

(It is possible I’ve missed the point, please enlighten me!)

yes, i am confused … what is the point?

 

[YinYangMom]

I honestly can’t tell what you specifically are charging was changed by the church…

You’ve cited several passages of scripture…but you haven’t cited the ‘alleged’ changed passages…

Also, The New American Bible shows Romans 12:17-19 to read:

17(AK)Never pay back evil for evil to anyone (AL)Respect what is right in the sight of all men.

18If possible, (AM)so far as it depends on you, (AN)be at peace with all men. 19(AO)Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “(AP)VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY,” says the Lord.

 

[Larry_B]

Robert Heibel:

First I’m not a protestant, second the protestants didn’t take out Matthew, Luke or Romans.

You are correct. Manipulation it is.

Who took out Matthew, Luke or Romans? What specifically has been manipulated? This thread is somewhat confusing. Catholics and non-catholic Christians recognize the same 26 books of the New Testament although Martin Luther had different ideas early on to fit his doctrinal views.

Larry

 

[E.E.N.S]

Robert Heibel:

Was Paul a protestant when he told Peter he was wrong?

No, but Paul still submitted to Peter none the less.

What’s your point Robert?

 

[TNT]

Robert Heibel:

Was Paul a protestant when he told Peter he was wrong?

REMEMBER? I said Leaves or stays outside the Church! BIG difference. I criticize plenty, but I remain in her. Did Paul then EXIT the Church? Yes or no please.
Did Malachi, Ezek., Jeramiah etc EXIT the Jewish religion after criticizing the bad practices and evil? Yes or no please.

War is the perogative of valid GOVERNMENT, not individuals like the Muslims engage in.

Jesus is speaking to INDIVIDUALS. Read Romans and you will see the validity of just punishment aka war, of just government.

Romans 13:4 For he is God’s minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God’s minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.

Those verses do not negate defending ones life does it? Or the lives of your children, who you are obliged to PROTECT, does it? In fact , not giving reasonable protection to your children get you into prison.

A person and Christian civilization have a right to survive against extermination and evil.

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Prooftexting scripture is also a sign of being a protestant.

 

[Robert_Heibel]

**Jesus said: (Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”(Luke 6:27-28) “But I say this to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly. To the man who slaps you on one cheek, present the other cheek too; to the man who takes your cloak from you, do not refuse your tunic.”

Paul tells us this: (Romans 12:17-19) “Never repay evil with evil but let everyone see that you are interested only in the highest ideals. Do all you can to live at peace with everyone. Never try to get revenge; leave that, my friends, to God’s anger. As scripture says: Vengeance is mine, I will pay them back, the Lord promises.’

Don’t you wonder how far the church had to fall to lose the grace to live (Matthew 5:44), (Luke 6:27-28), (Romans 12:17-19)? Also how the church went about manipulating (interpreting) the Word of God to make it seem they had the right to change the Word of God?

**The Catholic Church allows their members to go to war. The Church says it OK to fight and kill another person or persons. The church says it has to be a just war. Now I wonder did all the Catholic Christians in Germany who fought in the Second World War, go to hell? Maybe both sides were just??? ****

Paul in (Galatians 1:8-9) “and let me warn you that if anyone preaches a version of the Good News different from the one we have already preached to you, whether it be ourselves or an angel from heaven, he is to be condemned.” What Paul said, is Scriptural, and he didn’t give anyone the right to change the Word of God. Not even the Church!

 

[E.E.N.S]

Robert Heibel:

First I’m not a protestant,…

Are you sure? I don’t think that you have ever written a post defending Holy Mother Church…nor does your profile say that you are Catholic either…please advise.

 

[TNT]

I see you ae in “fly-over” mode. No answers to my questions as if they did not exist.
Can’t help ya until you come back to earth.

BTW:
ANY catholic has a right to refuse combat duty for their valid government as their conscience dictates.

 

[Robert_Heibel]

TNT:

REMEMBER? I said Leaves or stays outside the Church! BIG difference. I criticize plenty, but I remain in her. Did Paul then EXIT the Church? Yes or no please. I am not in and I’m not out. If the Catholic Church is Christian then I’m in, but if not then I’m out.

War is the perogative of valid GOVERNMENT, not individuals like the Muslims engage in. The Government equals the world and a Christian isn’t part of the world.

Jesus is speaking to INDIVIDUALS. Read Romans and you will see the validity of just punishment aka war, of just government.

Romans 13:4 For he is God’s minister to thee, for good. But if thou do that which is evil, fear: for he beareth not the sword in vain. For he is God’s minister: an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil.

Those verses do not negate defending ones life does it? Or the lives of the children, does it? No! Jesus told us to love our enemies. Killing someone sure isn’t loving them.
A person and Christian civilization have a right to survive against extermination and evil. Who says so?

Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Prooftexting scripture is also a sign of being a protestant.

Individuals fight wars. The world has a right to fight a war, but a Christian isn’t part of the world. (World = Government)

 

[Robert_Heibel]

E.E.N.S.:

No, but Paul still submitted to Peter none the less. Did Paul submit? I believe Peter was convinced by the Holy Spirit that Paul was right.

What’s your point Robert?

My point is that the Catholic Church doesn’t teach or live the whole Word of God.

 

[MGEISING]

Robert Heibel:

My point is that the Catholic Church doesn’t teach or live the whole Word of God.

Who are you to make that judgment. Can you give us specifics.

 

[E.E.N.S]

Robert Heibel:

My point is that the Catholic Church doesn’t teach or live the whole Word of God.

That would be you understanding, or perhaps, misunderstanding.

 

[MGEISING]

Robert Heibel:

My point is that the Catholic Church doesn’t teach or live the whole Word of God.

How many books do you have in your bible.
Where did the bible come from? The Sky?