How do I choose a Church?

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If I were to leave the Catholic Church for a “bible believing” church, how would I choose one? The following is a list of local churches who all claim to follow the Bible. Do I choose one based on the fellowship they provide, on the worship music style that they provide, maybe what they teach as doctrine, or should I find one that believes what I believe?

ALL SAINTS EPISCOPAL CHURCH, ALLIANCE BIBLE CHURCH, ALOHA CHRISTIAN CHURCH(DISCIPLES OF CHRIST), ALOHA CHRISTIAN LIFE CENTER, BETHEL UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, BROOKWOOD BAPTIST CHURCH, CALVARY LUTHERAN CHURCH, CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF HILLSBORO, CHURCH OF CHRIST, CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, COMMUNITY BAPTIST CHURCH, COMMUNITY OF CHRIST CHURCH, CORRIDOR BAPTIST CHURCH, EVERGREEN CHRISTIAN CENTER, FAITH CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP OF HILLSBORO, FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD, FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, FIRST CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH, U.C.C., FOREST GROVE BIBLE CHURCH, FRIENDS CHURCH OF HILLSBORO, GOLDEN ROAD BAPTIST, HELVETIA COMMUNITY CHURCH, HERITAGE BAPTIST CHURCH, HILLSBORO FIRST CHURCH OF CHRIST SCIENTIST, HILLSBORO NAZARENE CHURCH, HILLSBORO CHRISTIAN FAITH CENTER, HILLSBORO PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, HILLSBORO UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, IGLESIA EVANGELICA HISPANA, LAUREL COMMUNITY CHURCH, ORENCO PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, OUR PLACE - YOUR CHRISTIAN CHURCH, REEDVILLE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, SALVATION ARMY, SCHOLLS COMMUNITY CHURCH, SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH OF FOREST GROVE, SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH OF HILLSBORO, SINGING HILLS CHRISTIAN CHURCH, SONRISE BAPTIST CHURCH, ST PETER’S LUTHERAN CHURCH, TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH, TUALATIN PLAINS PRESBYTERIAN, UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST COMMUNITY CHURCH, UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST, VALLEY HOPE COMMUNITY CHURCH, Westport Church, WESTSIDE BIBLE FELLOWSHIP, WEST VALLEY COMMUNITY CHURCH, WORLD OF FAITH FAMILY CENTER, WORLD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CENTER, ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH
A little clarity on this list. Christian Science is not a Protestant faith (in fact it isn’t even a Christian faith). Unitarian Universalists are also no longer Christian – they welcome Jews, atheists, Hindu’s, or whatever (just go on their web site – they openly admit this).

The rest look like they came out of your phone book. They are all “Bible believing” churches, as is the Catholic church.

In many cases the differences have little to do with theology these days – it’s mostly cultural. Some prefer a “high church” atmosphere (with a liturgy similar to the Catholic church), others like contemporary music, others like to sing Gospel music and clap their hands, etc.

Among serious Protestants the biggest divide is over soteriology.

Reformed churches, such as the Presbyterian churches believe we are saved by particular grace (they disagree that divine grace is universally bestowed on all people in the same fashion). This idea is typically associated with John Calvin (but it also finds roots in the soteriology of Martin Luther and Saint Augustine of Hippo).

Then there are Arminian churches – like Methodists, holiness movement churches (i.e. Pentecostal), etc. The Catholic churches have come to adopt what is essentially the Arminian position on soteriology (what we in the reformed community would term as semi-pelagian). This is the idea that man has absolute free will and God passively bestows the same grace on all of humanity – and predestines the faithful by looking down the tunnel of time and seeing who chooses what (in essence under Arminian soteriology we choose God He does not choose us). The roots of this doctrine was Jacob Arminius (a Dutch theologian) and John Wesley (an English Anglican priest, who founded the Methodist church).

You can research these differences. The Arminian view is best summarized by the Articles of the Remonstrants, while the Calvinist view is referred to as the “five points of Calvinism” (otherwise named TULIP). Within these broad theological categories views vary. This is similar to the divergence of views found in the Catholic church (for instance Augustine had a much different view of soteriology as compared with Luis Molina, an important 16th century Jesuit priest who authored a theory that attempted to make free will compatible with divine omniscience).

The one continuum among Protestants is that we still recognize those who hold different views of soteriology to be Christians (and no less saved than any other Christian – as long as they retain a sincere, enduring, and obedient faith).

There is also the Baptist churches (which are not only those expressly called Baptist) who believe that immersion Baptism at an older age (typically at least 13, when it is assumed one can form a cognizant faith) is the only proper form of Baptism. This is a minority view in Christianity (these churches also typically do not recognize the early Christian creeds, such as the Apostolic & Nicene, while nearly all “mainline” protestant denominations do).

Finally there is the charismatic movement, which is also growing within the Catholic church. This movement began as Pentecostal in nature – but now crosses denominational lines. These Christians engage in the practice of “speaking in tongues” (and some believe it’s a requisite “witness” to an indwelling of the Spirit). The charismatic movement is by far the fastest growing segment of Christianity (it’s the first Protestant initiated movement that I can think of that has crossed into Catholicism). The basis for this practice is found at Pentecost in the book of Acts. More traditional reformed denominations reject the validity of this practice (holding to what’s called a “cessationist” view – or the view that these spiritual gifts ended or at least largely ended at the outset of the Apostolic age).

I hope this summary helps?
 
Hi,
This is what I did. I chose the church which did the most things that were in the Bible.
There were two churches in the running. The Baptists, were 20% consistent with the Bible.
The Catholic church was 80% consistent with the Bible. The others were all lower than the Baptists.
Now, note all the Christian Churches that I have seen so far, seem to work for God.
The Bible says so because they believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. That is the minimum requirement for God. (It is actually, that He, God, caused you to know Him and His Son Jesus Christ. It is really not your decision, it just seems like it.)
The Holy Spirit, if He is there also confirms a church is acceptable to God. (Now not all the spirits are God’s Spirit. Typically if you feel the Spirit in the Church it is not God’s, it is a false spirit, or our own emotions.) Notable personal examples are the spirit of the Mormons, is so clearly felt and yet it is not The Holy Spirit. The Spirit of The Jehovah’s Witnesses is also clearly felt and is Not, The Holy Spirit. So, how do you tell? You, will need time and prayer and someday you might or will be graced with this gift. In the meantime, you can listen to others in the church. Or you can listen to all the pleas to stay Catholic. The Catholic Church is the equivalent of a PhD in God. The Baptist is equivalent to a Associates degree in God. Yet, what is it you are really trying to find? (Excuse me, I forgot.) What is it God is dircting you to learn? Yes, your angst is a push by God to learn something. Since, you seem to be thinking about Bible teaching churches, try the Baptists they are pretty good. They make mistakes yet not too many, and later you will have to unlearn where they are wrong. Another approach, is to see if The Witnesses are right? When you are done checking their view point, you will have been exposed to every important theological point there is wrongly and brilliantly put by them. Your working through all of their mistakes, will give you a great understanding of the Bible and God, therefore. NOTE: It is risky to the extreme to go the route of routing out the incorrectness of The Jehovah’s Witnesses. Unless you are truly brilliant, or God is Directing you, then the chance to be mislead is great.
There is the method I used, or really, God helped me with and had me use. It is this, after you are certain the Bible is real, and God is real, then take what He says in the Bible and Do It. If you don’t understand something in the Bible, don’t do it. Do just the simple things that are clear and you don’t need anyone to explain to you what it means. (That’s it with no corroborating stories ex
cept a challenge.)
If I am right, about the next statements, then use the Bible and the Catholic Church, remembering even the Pope says nothing found in the Bible can ever be surpassed by anything else. (He means when God is said to have said this or that in the Bible, it is correct. Less correct but really useful and probable is What was learned from Early Church Fathers. Equally correct and just as useful is any ex-cathedra stament made by the Catholic Church. (The Holy Spirit for those statements, and there are only a few in comparison, makes sure these are correct.) God speaking to this person or that person in person, and confirmed by Catholic Church, through the local bishop in the diocese, are also very correct, and historically the same as the Bible, yet your church the Catholic Church says, and therefore you aren’t, obliged to believe or follow personal revelation. Yet, in all cases it is God saying this or that, which is held to be entirely correct. It is not when Plato, Aristotle, Socarates, The President, Shakespere, Neitze, your mother, (sorry!), your father, your friends or even yourself, who are ever more correct than God. Now, this is really important, for all things spoken and believed, if it is compared to what God says and it is the same, then believe and do it no matter how foolish it seems. Yet, if the most logical, pure, ethical, reasonable, everybody agrees, statement is compared to what God says, and it is found to be not in agreement. Do it not. (It will be wrong.)
…Curt…
 
Hi,

Those are a few tools, if you wish to use in your own time and way to find nothing more in the end, that the Catholic Church is very right about, (I am going to struggle here because I am still not wanting it to be so what I suspect is true from all the experience so far.) 98% of the time.
The really cool part is, I am what would be referred to as not a Christian, because of certain issues. Only, God doesn’t see it that way. Once, twice, thrice, really too many times to count He has proved this to me. It seems this is in the Bible. When, a person seeks God a long time and finds Him, God reaveals Himself to the persong it says in the Bible. (Now, remember, it is God, Who decides, you or I, will do all this, and not us really. We just think it is us. He decided this before the foundations of the earth were formed. And that is right out of the Bible. So, I the freak, it seemed to me, ever since a child, I could not stop seeking God. My friends all pretty much got fed up with me. Every conversation was about religion and God, I just couldn’t seem to get it. I was not satisfied. When I was 52, I knew God was real and I could read the Bible and Believe every word spoken by God. Similarly, I could believe every word inspired by The Holy Spirit. What was thrown away, is any statements made by non god people. Thus in Job, Job’s friends and what they say is totally disregarged. When Jesus is being tempted in the desert, the words of his tempter are immediately know to be lies, because it is said they are. (Now for you. Many of the Psalms are prophetic and are really the words of Jesus, who is to come. Ask about this. Read Psalm 2 as if Jesus were speaking the words. Also when you see The Lord read it as God The Father. When you see My Lord, read it as Jesus. When you are finished, see if it doesn’t indicate that Jesus accepted his inheritance in the first sentence of Psalm 2, and is speaking in that role. Then look at the tempter and see his lie exposed.)
No matter where you end up, if you are doing what God tells you to do, it is right for Him and for you. Really, as I think about it now, when I chose a church for my weekly meetings, it was God who did this. He chose where he wanted me to be. If yours if different and it is God’s choice then it is correct.
Once Faustina, was going to leave the convent she entered. Jesus came, (He made personal up front one-on-one visits with her.) and told her she would break his heart if she left the place He has chosen for her. She stayed.
There are other examples of what to do, and to let God decide. Even when you make a choice, and it seems wrong it may not be.
Leave it up to God, and you’ll be fine.

I am going to ask God right now, if He would like me to end this, erase this, add to this or what for you and see what happens or He says…

He says “I LOVE YOU” and He did it this way, no words were exchanged. I asked and He flooded me with LOVE for you. It is a deep rich love, that extends from my chest to my stomach and fills my head and now my legs, and now my feet, and now my ears and not mey hands, and before that my arms. and now my eyebrows, Sorry, I am having to do this with my eyes closed, as it is beautiful rich and quiet, so there are some spelling errors, more that regular.Yet it is now felt over most of my body, for you.
Okay, I dont’ understand, usually there is not the entire body experience when I ask God this. For you there is. Who are you?

Medjugorje, was the high point in this for me. It seems as God was taking me on my journey, Medjugorje was part of my journey. I was shown that I was to go there to get A GIFT. I got the A GIFT, and much more. Part of it was what just happened, I asked God and He responded, and He does not respond unless it is important and it is His Will. So, although I don’t know you, I think logically from my viewpoint, you are somebody very important to God, and it may be God the Father that you are very important to. Now, don’t start crying heresey, until you see what the Catholic Church says. There was a woman who God The Father talked to in the past. He said this:“I want you to try and be good. When you are I will live in you and you will live in Me. It is like the ocean. I am like the ocean and when you live in Me, I am also living in you.” There is at least one other woman who has had an encounter with God the Father. And, there is a woman in Mass. who sees and talks to the Trininty, (All three of them.) like you and I talk to our friends.
Okay so now that that is over, I think you are important, and The LOVE OF GOD, is still flowing though me in reponse to my earlier question.
(Okay, it is also a Spiritual Director assigned by the Catholic Church who can pronounce items such as personal revelation as either from God, or all the other numerous sources for such. I had some personal revelation items and I took them to a Spiritual Director. He was shocked at first for some of them. Later, when he was done, God’s Holy Spirit confirmed, all that had happened to me was from God.)

…Curt…
 
Hi,
Alright try and forget I said that, it was just so you could possibly use what I am about to say without rejecting it immediately.
Difficult paths are somewhat of a guarator that you are pre-destined by God. Another, clue is if you ever find the need to pray the rosary, and you abhor it not, because it is said you should. (Yet you might feel like a fraud at the time, and that wrong feeling is also the norm.) Needing to search for God and not finding what you want in the Catholic Church, you think, is also and indicator. Now, do not slip and leave unless of course God wants you to. I have found, really, rather than a 98% correct position, from testing, of the Catholic Church’s position on everything, it is actually closer to 100%, yet it is not 100%. They do make errors, and it is in the realm of non-infallible errors they make. Despite almost 2000 years of good and bad popes, not one infallible postion has ever had to be changed or reversed. Now, back to the issue. I could not have had the excellent contact with God, personally, nor could I have handled it, if it weren’t for the Catholic Church etc. I cannot tell you how easy and yet, questioning it seems is demanded of us, when you see God. I cannot tell you how wonderful it is and yet confusing at first to have Jesus Christ, The Son Of God, actually not only visit, but enter totally into me. It is the Catholic Church and their definitions and documentation that has made this all easier to understand. It is the Catholic Church who first in Confession gave me the truth that God is All Good. I would not have known that otherwise, unless it was revealed. Had I not known that I wouldn’t have liked working for Him so much. I love working for God. When He is working through me to benefit others, it always turns out right. When I do things on my own it never has turned out right. It is so much fun to see this person or that person’s life improved, even if they are what is usually referred to as despots. I cannot know how to share with you the joy of working for God. It is… wonderful.
How could that have happened in any other church, yet each of us has a path, and it is God who determines this. Now to be specific. Like you are three persons in one, God is the same. You have the exact same equivalents in you as God does, only He can do more than you can. He can actually send out what is the equivalent or your self when you are enjoying or having fun. He can also send out the equivalent of you when you are working. He can do this, and yet be connected like they never left. You and most people have the experienced the last item of connectedness. Isn’t there somebody in your life that you never seem separated from and yet they are miles apart. That is similar and yet less. Now it is The Holy Spirit that pushes , guides, urges you to go this way or that way. It is the Son who helps you do. It is the Father who LOVES you. It is also the Son, and The Holy Spirit and Mary and The Father who Love you. Does, this seem confusing? It is so not to me. It is as ordinary as this medium of typing. And, all of this is told to you to accomplish one hope. Trust in God. Do what He Tells you to do. Love consists of this Doing the Will of My Father in Heaven, Love God, Love your neighbor, Marriage is forever on earth, Love others as I have loved you.

…Curt…
 
I asked my evangelical friend this once, but in regard to how SHE picked her non-denominational church since there were so many to choose from. Her answer was -* “I picked the one that felt right”. When I asked her to explain she said - “The people were welcoming and I liked the music. They had a lot of family activities. It just felt like home and I knew it’s where God wanted me to be.” *
Right before I converted to the RCC I was in a quandary about what church to join. I couldn’t decide, I got so confused. I didn’t know what criteria to use.

All the bible churches say they follow the bible, but they are all different, so it does come down to feelings.

I knew I didn’t want a “bible church” anyway since they are mostly literalist.

It’s very confusing to know where to go. Now I’m not confused anymore and I’m so glad. In any case, the RCC is really the ultimate in a bible church. I’ve never learned such deep lessons about the bible since becoming Catholic.
 
Right before I converted to the RCC I was in a quandary about what church to join. I couldn’t decide, I got so confused. I didn’t know what criteria to use.

All the bible churches say they follow the bible, but they are all different, so it does come down to feelings.

I knew I didn’t want a “bible church” anyway since they are mostly literalist.

It’s very confusing to know where to go. Now I’m not confused anymore and I’m so glad. In any case, the RCC is really the ultimate in a bible church. I’ve never learned such deep lessons about the bible since becoming Catholic.
Welcome to CAF!🙂
Catholicism is a gift from God.
Happy are those who comes in the name of the Lord!👍
 
If I were to leave the Catholic Church for a “bible believing” church, how would I choose one? The following is a list of local churches who all claim to follow the Bible. Do I choose one based on the fellowship they provide, on the worship music style that they provide, maybe what they teach as doctrine, or should I find one that believes what I believe?

ALL SAINTS EPISCOPAL CHURCH, ALLIANCE BIBLE CHURCH, ALOHA CHRISTIAN CHURCH(DISCIPLES OF CHRIST), ALOHA CHRISTIAN LIFE CENTER, BETHEL UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, BROOKWOOD BAPTIST CHURCH, CALVARY LUTHERAN CHURCH, CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF HILLSBORO, CHURCH OF CHRIST, CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, COMMUNITY BAPTIST CHURCH, COMMUNITY OF CHRIST CHURCH, CORRIDOR BAPTIST CHURCH, EVERGREEN CHRISTIAN CENTER, FAITH CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP OF HILLSBORO, FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD, FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, FIRST CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH, U.C.C., FOREST GROVE BIBLE CHURCH, FRIENDS CHURCH OF HILLSBORO, GOLDEN ROAD BAPTIST, HELVETIA COMMUNITY CHURCH, HERITAGE BAPTIST CHURCH, HILLSBORO FIRST CHURCH OF CHRIST SCIENTIST, HILLSBORO NAZARENE CHURCH, HILLSBORO CHRISTIAN FAITH CENTER, HILLSBORO PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, HILLSBORO UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, IGLESIA EVANGELICA HISPANA, LAUREL COMMUNITY CHURCH, ORENCO PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, OUR PLACE - YOUR CHRISTIAN CHURCH, REEDVILLE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, SALVATION ARMY, SCHOLLS COMMUNITY CHURCH, SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH OF FOREST GROVE, SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH OF HILLSBORO, SINGING HILLS CHRISTIAN CHURCH, SONRISE BAPTIST CHURCH, ST PETER’S LUTHERAN CHURCH, TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH, TUALATIN PLAINS PRESBYTERIAN, UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST COMMUNITY CHURCH, UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST, VALLEY HOPE COMMUNITY CHURCH, Westport Church, WESTSIDE BIBLE FELLOWSHIP, WEST VALLEY COMMUNITY CHURCH, WORLD OF FAITH FAMILY CENTER, WORLD OF FAITH CHRISTIAN CENTER, ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH
Just roll the dice :whistle:

(OK , I’m just bad-mouth joking of course 😊)

Now Back-Topic:

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 17, 2008
 
Just roll the dice :whistle:

(OK , I’m just bad-mouth joking of course 😊)

Now Back-Topic:

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 17, 2008
Hi Laurent LUG and welcome to CAF.

I do not agree with you but I respect your right to believe what you want.

Blessings and peace
 
As I told I was just silly joking of course 🙂
So don’t take my anwser too seriously 😉

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 8, 2008
 
Dear Laurent who impresses me,

I think if I may say, you were not taken literally, which could be most reprehensible, if indeed you are what you say. Let me explain why I said that, and then I’ll depart.
Almost all of the Atheistic types I know share this amazing quality. They are what Christians aspire to be in morals, ethics and clear thinking. I don’t understand this I just notice this and
I have never seen it wrong yet, in Atheists with out a political or reprehensible objective. This is probably hijacked as frequently as Cristianity by NON BELIEVERS. Thus, assuming no Hijacking, I have seen amazing qualities and features in all Atheists I have ever met. (If I knew not what they were I woud say they were all saint types in their respective churches.)

Now you said:

“”"" Just roll the dice

(OK , I’m just bad-mouth joking of course )

Now Back-Topic:

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 17, 2008"""""

Clearly, if the aforementioned observation of mine fits you, then there can be no issue with your statement, other than praise. Why??? What is dry humor, or a joke typically for non professionals. It is having a thought, or having an emotion, or noticing something amazing, and simply saying the opposite of what you thought, felt, or noticed.
In your case your statement: “Just roll the dice.” Tranlates to “Be careful, it to me, is not at all certain what is what, and this is not trivial as some think it is.”
Now you go futher: You tell everyone you are joking, and it is missed, and I hope not ignored, for the implications of that by the
other person, if true, is either incredible wisdom for undestanding something I don’t see in your comments, or it is simply wrong for what it implies, of you being a liar, and really just being nasty.
The next item I think exonerates you, with of course these comments of yours being the extent of your thoughts on this.
You said:

“”""As I told I was just silly joking of course
So don’t take my anwser too seriously

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 8, 2008"""""

Thus someone, at least with this much information, did not treat you in a manner, which is consistent with not only you but the tone of your comments. At least that is my view.

Now to an interest in you I have possibly. I so hope this might be true. Well here goes: I hope your salutation is more than happenstance. I know books and these things are somethings just not related to anything, but you write: ‘’’‘Salute’’’’’’ Most interesting. ‘’’‘Cheers’’’’’ is next, yet it is the last two words which make this too wonderful to expect more than an accidental random choice of words. You say ‘’‘NON BELIEVER:’’’’’ in bold capital letters and then with the merest flicker of a key ‘’ : “”" you say in a way, possibly, I like and love myself, you should too, and I am he. I am Laurent LUG…

Okay, am I reading in too much maybe. Yet, some of what is read in is there and not know. That happens a lot, and yes I am sure sometimes this is quite wrong. Yet, if you will even consider the possibility, and only before rejecting the thought for fallacy after testing in yourself, then you most impress me, and really I don’t want to know you, I just like what is implied about you.

Now, hopefully, with all come-uppances, and come-ons essentially dissuaded, I can ask a question, which I might not get to read because of my future assignment. I am sorry for that, if you have an interest. I am saying for completeness only.

I have never me a true NON BELIEVER, or a true ATHEIST. I have looked, and hoped I could find one, but so far, they don’t seem to exist amongst the honest. Now, I know, there are others, and I know some of their DSM-IV descriptions. So, barring that and other agendized folks, I have never met one yet.

End of Part one, second attempt.
 
That makes, not only your possible mild manner and forthrightness, hint you are somewhat of a NON BELIEVER, your kind way of stating tacitly, I am open about who I am, and therefore if you are not, I am already suspecting your answers are not objective.

Anyway,
Keep up the Good work.

Oh,
I do not have your experiences in life, which would allow me to BELIEVE what you believe, which in your own words is essentially NON. And of course that applies only to religous items. Notice, and I was careful to pick the word accurately, that I put down experiences, rather than beliefs.
Are you interested???
What? What experiences have you had…I think you are saying in a most cynical way, and it is probably just me over reacting. Certainly you show no signs of this.
Okay the List:
  1. Age 12 Voice, (later found to be called THS, The Holy Spirit,
    asks me: “Do you believe all this stuff.”(Meaning what the nuns
    and the schools have been putting into my head about the
    Catholic Religion and about God.) “No, I do not.”, and I merely
    thought: “Not without proof.”
  2. My mom says to stay off high places to all of us four boys.
    She gets really adamant about this. She doesn’t say why.
    In a time something happens, and my mother is frustrated
    that despite all her attempts it happened anyway. This goes
    on and on for her entire life. Not once is what she is shown
    in a different than normal kind of dream, for her, not come
    true on the third day after the dream.
  3. She with no compensation what so ever, is routinely called in
    by people in an arid area, when everybody else can’t find
    water on their property. Now, there is not always water there.
    Once she said on the entire property there was only one
    place at all. The thing is she has never been wrong on this.
    Not once not ever. She took no money for this. She also
    would pay for a well drilled if it ever was dry. She never had
    to pay. Yet, lots of dry wells are drilled. There were I think,
    seven on the most extreme case, which were dry. They
    called her in, when they were desparate. Also, she some
    times was called in to verify folks who were dowsers. When
    they weren’t really she found they were wrong and there was
    no water to be found. She is a dowser. There are dowsers.
    They really have no clue how it works. Don’t ask them, the
    answers you get are opinions. Yet it works and has for
    a long time I think.
    4 Now in short form and items only.
    • Saw many miracles.
    • Have Christian Mystic test.
    • Seen the effects of Holy Water on removing demons.
    • Saw the effects of burnt palms leaves, in blessed house.
    • Felt what blessed feels like.
    • Know two items which cause what I feel.
      -Now I am going to lose you, yet, it is so.
      -Saw Trinity, two feet from me.
      -Jesus as He is in Trinitarian form, visited me internally
      -Saw The Virgin Mary as she looked when old, a special
      treat to me, to come like this. She exchanged peace gesture
      in Church with me, and others. Yet they did not know who
      she was. I did.
End of part two. Second attempt.
 
Dear Laurent who impresses me,

Now you said:

“”"" Just roll the dice

(OK , I’m just bad-mouth joking of course )

Now Back-Topic:

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 17, 2008"""""

Okay, am I reading in too much maybe.
True
Why I answered that way ??
This person was mentioning so many churches ,
he couldn’t pick one , so I react …
just roll the dice , that’s all folks !!

Don’t take my signature so serious !!
My signature is based on a coincidence ,
nothing more , nothing less !!
When I first visited the (RIP) greenspun forum
and also other forums , I saw some signatures ,
so , I was looking for one too !!

I’m not with the atheists as who you say who are atheists !!
I’m just on my own !! Idiot or not ??
I really don’t mind !!
Some call me a bloody silly stupid idiot ,
for no useful reason at all !!
If you think I’m an incredible stupid ,
so be it !! I don’t judge you for who you are ,
why should I , be who you like/want to be !! 🙂

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 12, 2008
 
Hi,

Sorry it is so long for me to reply. If disability didn’t rise up, just recently one day, I would have replied to your most reasonable reply.

Now, if true, that you are called an idiot etcetera, I am most sorry. You are displaying, at least to me, none of the characteristics which would even remotely hint that you should be treated with these comments, you report.

Honesty, is always, wonderful, yet it is no easy path, at least in my experience.

Now I don’t like nor understand, how in the previous post someone could get upset when you prefaced your remarks, with “I am just joking.” When anyone says that, they mean, just what they say, unless proven otherwise.

So, it is that, which, caused me to dislike your ill treatment by others.

Now, this next item of yours is nice. You say this, an incredible statement for most, non believers.
I’m not with the atheists as who you say who are atheists !!
I’m just on my own !! <
It is actually, the 'I’m just on my own !!" statement that is interesting and if it is true, and not just a ploy, it suggests intense objectivity which is at least a part of the foundation of much that is good.

I support your efforts so far, yet, I am also just slightly suspicious, of your statements that your are badmouthed by everybody, and hope that your concentration on that aspect, of your past treatment, ‘the bad things others have said about you’ is not indicative, of The Group that stresses that over what is positive in communications.

I will take the position for you and say that it is so, believing it until forced not to, that it is just fact, that you were treated so woefully by some people, who are really wolves in sheeps clothing, that you are still hurting over this and thus it is still mentioned. If so, this following will help you:

It is said that verbally offensive women, and abrasive men, are only false Christians, and it is Jesus who says this, which is binding on all Christians. Thus, if you are ever treated this way, they are not real Christians.

Why??? It is because, they are folks who are really trying to remove Christians from their Religion.

Reference: Matt: 7:15 for Wolves.
Matt 7:16 for Women who are verbally hurtful
Matt 7:17 for Men who are abrasive.

Note: ‘grapes’ is the good stuff about God.
Code:
     'figs' is the good stuff about God.

     'Sheep' is the part played by like in a movie or theatrical 
     production. They act like nice friendly people, who
     wouldn't hurt a fly and are honest and truthful. The act
     is also how they wish people always to perceive them.
    
     'Wolves' is their true personalities, once you get to know 
      them.
The intent of these folks follows, later in the statement by Jesus in Matt: 7,15. This type of person, is also, seen in the non-religous sectors of work and society. Their motives and their results also match, what it found in Matt:7,15…17. Look at the people around you and see if it is not true about more than just the good stuff about God.

…Curt…
 
It is actually, the 'I’m just on my own !!" statement that is interesting and if it is true, and not just a ploy, it suggests intense objectivity which is at least a part of the foundation of much that is good.
Some who threats me like dirt or
like I’m (just) rotten garbage , I don’t care !!
It means their own weakness !!
I not out for revenge , but …
if necessary I use overacted sarcasm
depending on the situation !!

People who really know respect me ,
and sometimes really surprisingly !!
2 Weeks ago , a girl I was talking to ,
before we had already just general conversations ,
nothing special in particular ,
but don’t know how , suddenly had real
interesting serious conversation ,
she wasreally shocked , she now really respect me !!

Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), february 26, 2009
 
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