How do I confront my anti-Catholic sister about going behind my back, speaking against Catholicism with my teenage daughter

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Any adult that ever told my child to keep a secret from me would never be allowed in their presence again without me.

That is just a non-negotiable.

And I can’t even type out how I would confront a family member who did something like that. I would get banned. :mad:
Yup. I’d get banned and arrested and have to go to confession…
 
In this situation, considering it is a teen, my primary concern would be that my daughter felt she could come to me with these personal issues and not have me take over her problem. Considering that she is nearly confirmation age, defending her faith would be something I’d want her to feel comfortable doing, if that is what she wanted to do. Telling people that she does not keep secrets from her parents would be something I’d want her to know she can handle herself, if she wants to do that. I wouldn’t expect that she’d have to be able to shoulder something like that alone, though.

Whether I confronted my sister or not and how would depend on what my son or daughter and I decided to do about it together. I’d absolutely let my daughter know she has authority of her own to cut this sort of thing off in no uncertain terms, without apology, knowing her dad and I would have her back on drawing that line in the sand. Ways the young woman might want to handle this could include having me talk to my sister about how my daughter and I want this handled differently in the future. It might mean refraining from saying anything about this at all to my sister, because my daughter wants to handle it herself or doesn’t want the whole family stirred up over it. It might mean telling my sister that my daughter doesn’t want to spend time alone with her any more or allowing my daughter to do that, and to back her up. Maybe my daughter would like to role-play with me about what her options are in how to handle this. Maybe she’d like to learn how to do apologetics. It just depends. What would be most important is that my daughter come away from this thinking, “I’m glad I told my parents. That really did help me. If anyone else tries this again, I’m going to be able to handle it, and I don’t just have the choice of handling it alone or having Mom take everything out of my hands entirely.”

For a younger child, I’d be more inclined to decide for myself what needs to be done, but I’d still want to protect the child’s willingness to bring family problems to me. Still, at that age they aren’t ready to have so much of their own protection detail.

If there were any question, which hasn’t been a problem in our family, I would insist that my child recognize what a red flag it is when an adult wants to isolate a young person from their parents and the other people who are there to protect them. That is non-negotiable. It does not sound as if the OP has that problem. I’d be very intent to keep it that way.
 
This has happened to my family and my guests many times from a Catholic turned non-denominational friend. I will tell her that there will be no discussion of religion in my house. The last time was my nephew’s soon to be wife, who was trembling when cornered and asked to say the sinners prayer.
 
I haven’t gotten the full story from my daughter yet, but apparently my anti-Catholic, Baptist sister asked my daughter not to tell me… She was asking my daughter the “if you died tonight…” question and talking about how I have ruined our family by becoming Catholic and am leading them down the wrong path. My daughter said she was almost in tears when my sister was talking to her. How should I handle this? It’s really bothering me. And, I know my sister would be seriously offended if I were to talk to her daughter, who is 2 years older than mine, about Catholicism; and especially if I were to do it behind her back. I have talked to her daughter a little, but mostly only when she asks me questions about it.

My daughter has already been going through a REALLY rough time with all the changes going on in her/our lives right now, but has been getting SO much better in the past couple of months. She’s just starting to get really involved in the Life Teen group at our parish and her emotional health is improving tremendously. She doesn’t need this right now.
You can ask her how she would feel if you had, behind her back, gone to her daughter, tried to convert her to Catholicism, then told the daughter to keep it a secret from her mother.

You can say you don´t try to convert them and that you expect the same respect in the interest of getting along, that religion is an off limits topic, not to bring it up. If these rules can´t be respected, as much as you would like to have a good relationship with family, that you will need to stop all contact, because trust has been violated, and boundaries.
 
You can also say you don´t encourage, or support, secret keeping, especially in children-parent relationship, that the truth needs to operate in the open, not be hidden. That encouraging secret keeping establishes a dangerous precedent, is akin to lying by omission.
 
I would tell her that further attempts to comunicate with my child without my knowledge would result in a restraining order. This is not a religious issue. This is an aunt attempting to undermine the way her sister parent’s her child. Asking her to keep this emotionally abusive conversation secret is creepy and demonstrates that the aunt knows how wrong she is.
 
I haven’t gotten the full story from my daughter yet, but apparently my anti-Catholic, Baptist sister asked my daughter not to tell me… She was asking my daughter the “if you died tonight…” question and talking about how I have ruined our family by becoming Catholic and am leading them down the wrong path. My daughter said she was almost in tears when my sister was talking to her. How should I handle this? It’s really bothering me. And, I know my sister would be seriously offended if I were to talk to her daughter, who is 2 years older than mine, about Catholicism; and especially if I were to do it behind her back. I have talked to her daughter a little, but mostly only when she asks me questions about it.

My daughter has already been going through a REALLY rough time with all the changes going on in her/our lives right now, but has been getting SO much better in the past couple of months. She’s just starting to get really involved in the Life Teen group at our parish and her emotional health is improving tremendously. She doesn’t need this right now.
My bet is your sister is trying to start a fight. It would be best to not engage in that game. Sisters generally have a history and this history can be stopped by simply not engaging in this type of warfare.

Leave out the anger and the threats. No one wants to be the buffer between two sisters who are fighting. This puts the child in a miserable position if she loves her aunt. It will put you in a terrible position if she decides to be on your sister’s side. It is a lose lose situation all away around.

If you don’t fight: if you love your sister, you are kinder, more understanding, more rationale, more educated, more calm, more of an adult than your sister you will be able to explain to your daughter the beauty of the Catholic faith in a more convincing way.

If you play your sister’s game you will not win. No how. No way.

Let your sister be the spoil brat. You be the parent.
 
I would tell her that further attempts to comunicate with my child without my knowledge would result in a restraining order. This is not a religious issue. This is an aunt attempting to undermine the way her sister parent’s her child. Asking her to keep this emotionally abusive conversation secret is creepy and demonstrates that the aunt knows how wrong she is.
This teenager does not need the law and social services involved in her life over her aunt and her mother arguing over religion. The law and social services are quite unpredictable and you can open a miserable can of worms by bringing this hammer down on someone.
 
This teenager does not need the law and social services involved in her life over her aunt and her mother arguing over religion. The law and social services are quite unpredictable and you can open a miserable can of worms by bringing this hammer down on someone.
Requesting a restraining order does not require social services, nor does it need to involve the child. Parents have a right to seek a protective order when someone is seeking out secret communication with their child in order to alienate them from their parents. This isn’t an argument about religion. This is a nosy aunt trying to interfere in her sister’s relationship with her child. The statements the aunt made are designed to alienate the child. (Your mother has ruined the family…etc) I say, one warning, then a restraining order. There is no excuse for that behavior.
 
Requesting a restraining order does not require social services, nor does it need to involve the child. Parents have a right to seek a protective order when someone is seeking out secret communication with their child in order to alienate them from their parents. This isn’t an argument about religion. This is a nosy aunt trying to interfere in her sister’s relationship with her child. The statements the aunt made are designed to alienate the child. (Your mother has ruined the family…etc) I say, one warning, then a restraining order. There is no excuse for that behavior.
I seriously doubt a judge will grant a restraining order because of this. Not when women who are being physically assaulted and have the bruises to prove it have trouble getting restraining orders. Restraining orders aren’t given out or stuff like this. You don’t get one just because you want one. You have to request one and present a case and evidence to the judge, and then he decides if your case warrants a restraining order. If the parent could establish and present evidence that the aunt was trying to get the child to do something illegal or establish that the aunt was abusing the kid then maybe the parent could get a restraining orded but for this? No. A person evangelizing their niece even behind a parents back is not yet a crime in the U.S. A judge would probably laugh this out of his court.
 
I would see this as an opportunity to become a Catholic Christian witness to your daughter. I would focus on this part first. This can include as much detail as you seem appropriate for a 9 year old, but the theme should include that Catholic’s and protestants both love Jesus, what her aunt did was a sin, but you forgive her for sharing information that is not true.

As for your sister, I would not be too agressive with her. Her prediction of your being Catholic seperating the family will come true even though she initiated the battle. I would address the situation that she should never go behind your back, and that you had a long talk with your daughter.

If she cannot accept your religion that’s fine, but please keep any comments about it to herself and you will do the same. If she continues, you do not have to threaten to keep your daughter away, just limit contact without her knowing.

This is a time for you to show what being a Catholic means–taking the moral high ground when people offend, correcting firmly with the goal of peace. Rememeber that your daughter will be watching this, and absorbing. You also want your daughter to continue to share what your sister or anyone else says.
 
Basically what 1ke said. I had a similar experience with my Mormon parents and my 3 and 5 year old children.

My mother never really accepted my husband even though he supported me in my Mormon faith and allowed me to raise our children Mormon. We had issues with my parents (mother in particular) due to my mother’s desire to control and be involved in our family life. When I was Mormon, I didn’t really see that what she was doing was wrong even though it caused all kinds of marital problems.

Fast forward to two years ago when I left the Mormon church. My mother’s bad behavior went into overdrive and I was finally able to see that her behavior was toxic and undermining my relationship with my husband and our children’s relationships with us. We confronted them about their bad behavior and teaching of Mormonism to our children behind our backs. We set out ground rules and boundaries. They promised to not violate those boundaries. They knew the consequences would be no more contact if they violated those boundaries.

Six months later, my mother violated those boundaries. My parents are unwilling to acknowledge that they could have done something wrong. In their minds, all they did was “love us” all while undermining our parental authority and relationships with our children. Everything is all our fault and we are the ones who are “persecuting” them because they are Mormon. All because they refuse to recognize and respect boundaries. As an apostate daughter, I guess I am not entitled to have boundaries respected or to raise my children as I see fit. :rolleyes: A year later, my children don’t even miss their grandparents. They may be young but they are not stupid. They love their parents and were able to see, in a limited way, what my parents were trying to do.

You need to stand up to your sister, make boundaries clear and establish consequences when those boundaries are crossed - and stick to those consequences when required. I also recommend working with your daughter so that she can defend her faith. I also don’t think your extended family, especially your sister, should have “unsupervised” time with your children.

I don’t think my parents did what they did out of malice, and that is probably the case with your sister too. That said, it doesn’t mean you need to let her get away with her bad behavior.
 
I would see this as an opportunity to become a Catholic Christian witness to your daughter. I would focus on this part first. This can include as much detail as you seem appropriate for a 9 year old, but the theme should include that Catholic’s and protestants both love Jesus, what her aunt did was a sin, but you forgive her for sharing information that is not true.

As for your sister, I would not be too agressive with her. Her prediction of your being Catholic seperating the family will come true even though she initiated the battle. I would address the situation that she should never go behind your back, and that you had a long talk with your daughter.

If she cannot accept your religion that’s fine, but please keep any comments about it to herself and you will do the same. If she continues, you do not have to threaten to keep your daughter away, just limit contact without her knowing.

This is a time for you to show what being a Catholic means–taking the moral high ground when people offend, correcting firmly with the goal of peace. Rememeber that your daughter will be watching this, and absorbing. You also want your daughter to continue to share what your sister or anyone else says.
The OP’s daughter isn’t nine, is she? She a teenager, involved in Teen Life at her parish.

When your child gets to be a teen, she is going to start hearing messages that you didn’t screen ahead of time. I really think the thing is to be there for her to step in when, as in this case, the son or daughter is being subjected to messages that are unwelcome, aggressive, and purposefully covert. An independent teen may only want assurance that her parents are not going to chide her for rudeness or disrespect if she tells her aunt to take her message and her secrecy and bug off. A teen feeling more vulnerable, as the OP’s has been feeling, may want more active help in setting boundaries.

That is what I would make this: that is, I’d take my teen’s lead concerning how to handle these unwanted religious advances, much as if she were being subjected to unwanted romantic advances. I would not want her to be mortified at how it was handled, but to feel as if she had my help in handling it her own way.

I am guessing, however, that the OP’s daughter is going to say, “Yes, tell Aunt Mary that both you and I want to make sure she never corners me like that again. Tell her I consider it a personal attack, that I’ll be strictly avoiding her if she ever does it again, and that my parents back me up on that.” In that case, what is really in order is an apology, since the sister should have been able to see that she had crossed the line from evangelizing to high-pressure coercion tactics where the target is cut off from allies that might help her resist unwanted persuasion.

The most important thing, however, is that the teen does not feel that confiding in her mother will probably lead to her mother taking over the decision about how to handle the problem under discussion. She ought to feel that confiding in her mother will be a source of wisdom, strength, and practical help in discerning how to handle her own problems.

She should not be given the feeling, even by accident, that she was the source of family strife or that she somehow “ruined everything” in a family that used to get along pretty well or that you, the parent, went totally beyond the way the young adult wanted to handle what is a matter between her and her aunt. She should not feel that her mother went ballistic and made the daughter’s problem into a big feud between mom and Auntie, instead.

The matter could be handled by the teen on her own, if she feels free to cut these things off from the start if this ever happen again. If the young woman wants to do that, then I’d let her do that, because she would know that she is beginning to gain a position of an adult confiding in another adult in the handling of her problems. That is the most likely to lead to her feeling she has a lifetime confidante in her mother, because her mother won’t take a request for advice or the venting of a bad scene as an invitation to come in and run everything. Still, the teen also ought to feel that her parents will run interference with the “elders” in the family if she wants or needs them to do that, since those elders might not take the authority of the younger generation seriously when it comes to setting boundaries.

If I had younger children, however, I’d certainly tell my sister that she’d crossed a line by targeting a child behind the backs of the child’s parents, and that I would not tolerate it. With a teen, however, I’d want to be careful not to do this in a way that the teen would take as disrespectful to the teen’s growing capacity to think for herself and take care of herself, lest I ruin her willingness to confide in me as she becomes a fellow adult.
 
And you must realize that you can’t trust your sister to be alone with your daughter again. Protect your daughter by always being with her when your sister is around. Your sister has a nerve!
 
And you must realize that you can’t trust your sister to be alone with your daughter again. Protect your daughter by always being with her when your sister is around. Your sister has a nerve!
This is correct. I think what some people are missing here is the absolute malice that must be involved for the sister to actually do this. Those who suggest using this as an opportunity to educate the sister about the Catholic faith are delirious! The sister, using anti Catholic sentiment from her faith did not engage in dialogue, she did not present her baptist case to her sister pleading for her to leave the evil non Christian Catholic Church. She picked on a child. Someone who trusted her and looked up to her and she used that power to try to sever and damage not only that child’s relationship with God but also her mom.:eek: The OP pointed out that the daughter has been through a lot and is emotionally fragile right now. This predator preyed on the weakest thing she could find. That is not misapplied zeal for her faith, nor is it an innocent breach of manners. It is down right unholy. And evil.

The sister would be out of my life. That may be easier for some to do than others but there is no charitable way to approach what the sister did with anything less than an evil evil act.
 
This is correct. I think what some people are missing here is the absolute malice that must be involved for the sister to actually do this. Those who suggest using this as an opportunity to educate the sister about the Catholic faith are delirious! The sister, using anti Catholic sentiment from her faith did not engage in dialogue, she did not present her baptist case to her sister pleading for her to leave the evil non Christian Catholic Church. She picked on a child. Someone who trusted her and looked up to her and she used that power to try to sever and damage not only that child’s relationship with God but also her mom.:eek: The OP pointed out that the daughter has been through a lot and is emotionally fragile right now. This predator preyed on the weakest thing she could find. That is not misapplied zeal for her faith, nor is it an innocent breach of manners. It is down right unholy. And evil.

The sister would be out of my life. That may be easier for some to do than others but there is no charitable way to approach what the sister did with anything less than an evil evil act.
Something tells me that “Auntie” has had her try at her sister, too, and written her off as a hopelessly hard-hearted case that won’t thaw without many more years of ardent intercession. I would not automatically ascribe a nefarious motive to her, but a lack of appreciation of the Christian need to avoid preaching that amounts to bullying. It is also possible that she does not appreciate how vulnerable and emotionally fragile this young women really is.

Do not get me wrong. When you corner a young person with your “Gospel” and they are that upset when you are done, you’ve seriously crossed a line. Some well-meaning and zealous people are a bit dense about that, though.

Whether she has a lot of nerve or is just extremely dense, that is no matter. The young woman ought to be protected from her unwanted religious advances. I would merely be careful to respect the teen’s sense of how to best do that. It would not do to have her mortified by both her aunt’s behavior AND her parents’ response!
 
I guess it would come down to what kind of relationship you have, have had, and want in the future. Yes Auntie did cross a line but i think we all have to remember Christianity is about love, peace, and forgiveness, not anger and resentment. It would definitely be the easy way out to break all ties and just walk away but where does that leave your inner peace and hope for reconciliation which is what we should all be striving for.
 
I guess it would come down to what kind of relationship you have, have had, and want in the future. Yes Auntie did cross a line but i think we all have to remember Christianity is about love, peace, and forgiveness, not anger and resentment. It would definitely be the easy way out to break all ties and just walk away but where does that leave your inner peace and hope for reconciliation which is what we should all be striving for.
The sisters have to be able to trust each other, or that is not much of a relationship. Forgiveness is not dependent upon reconciliation, but having a real relationship is. True reconciliation, meanwhile, will require some way to trust the offender does not feel free to offend again.
 
I seriously doubt a judge will grant a restraining order because of this. Not when women who are being physically assaulted and have the bruises to prove it have trouble getting restraining orders. Restraining orders aren’t given out or stuff like this. You don’t get one just because you want one. You have to request one and present a case and evidence to the judge, and then he decides if your case warrants a restraining order. If the parent could establish and present evidence that the aunt was trying to get the child to do something illegal or establish that the aunt was abusing the kid then maybe the parent could get a restraining orded but for this? No. A person evangelizing their niece even behind a parents back is not yet a crime in the U.S. A judge would probably laugh this out of his court.
I know of a woman who had a restraining order because her former boyfriend was continuously trying to contact her daughter after they had broken up. He wasn’t trying to get her to do anything illegal. He was simply trying to contact the girl after her mother had told him to leave her alone.
 
The sister probably already knew what she was doing was wrong but she did it anyway.
Thank you Monicad. As the person being discussed here, I’ve just been following this thread quietly, waiting for someone to realize that I knew what I was doing was wrong but did it anyway. 👍

Okay, I’m not really the person being discussed here (I don’t think I have ever done even vaguely resembling what she did, besides the fact that I’m Catholic myself). I was just using a little rhetorical florish to emphasize how impressed I am by your mind-reading abilities. 🙂
 
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