How Do Protestants Interpret this Verse?

[christcnection1]

**King James Bible

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 1:11**

(Catholics, please feel free to help in my understanding of what we believe.)

To me, this verse seems to be making some interesting points:

1. From the rising of the sun to the setting implies it’s something that’s done every day.
2. Everywhere around the world, incense will be used in this sacrifice
3. This sacrifice is pure in the sight of God.
4. This sacrifice will be done by the Gentiles or Non-Jews

Catholics believe this is referring to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

What sacrifice do our separated brethren believe this is referring to?

 

[MarcoPolo]

See this thread, posts 15 & 17 and anything by SyCarl or DanielMarsh to get Protestant opinions. Those positions are also “debunked” in that thread.

 

[COPLAND_3]

I’ll provide links so I don’t clutter up the post.

The Ancient Christian Commentary gives great quotes from the ancient Didache and the Constitutitons of the Holy Apostles which support the traditional interpretation of the Church books.google.com/books?id=vZjeeBgJQDEC&pg=PR25&dq=ancient+christian+commentary+malachi&sig=nCgOUuvD5ypDt8Ch5vUe1wGoAn0#PPA291,M1

And the Navarre Bible does a good job giving the interpretation books.google.com/books?id=0iaz3AfBx_YC&pg=PA13&dq=navarre+bible+commentary+old+testament&lr=&as_brr=3&sig=ACfU3U03cwBjMjYHGHCAw7m2mrBlAlvbwA#PPA343,M1

But John Calvin would be a reformer that you might want to consult in order to get some kind of idea how some Protestants may intepret Mal. 1:11. iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/m.sion/cvmal-04.htm

 

[Zenas]

For those who are premillennialists, i.e., belief in a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth after his return, they interpret this verse to refer to sacrifices to Christ in the millennial kingdom.

 

[christcnection1]

For those who are premillennialists, i.e., belief in a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth after his return, they interpret this verse to refer to sacrifices to Christ in the millennial kingdom.

Ohh… that’s unique…

Hey, I guess you need to try to make it all fit together somehow.

 

[Ethan_Enoch]

To me, this verse seems to be making some interesting points:

1. From the rising of the sun to the setting implies it’s something that’s done every day.

WelI, I don’t agree with this interpretation. For one thing, “From the rising of the sun to the setting” is not talking about the offering, but God’s name being great. Also, it doesn’t mean every day, it means *all *day. So, you’ve gone from “God’s name will be great all day”, to
“There will be a sacrifice every day”.

1. Everywhere around the world, incense will be used in this sacrifice

See post #28 on the thread that MarcoPolo linked.

1. This sacrifice is pure in the sight of God.
2. This sacrifice will be done by the Gentiles or Non-Jews

It seems to me that you have jumped a step here. The prophet calls it an offering, but you call it a sacrifice. Do you consider there to be no difference between an offering & a sacrifice?

In this verse the Hebrew word ‘minchah’ is used. It means “gift”, “tribute”, “offering”, or “grain offering”.

The word “sacrifice” is also used in this chapter, referring to offering animals. That word is ‘zabach’ which means “sacrifice” or “slaughter”.

There are, of course, some occasions where an offering is a sacrifice, and ‘zabach’ could have been used instead of ‘minchah’. Do you consider this to be one of those? If so, or, if not, why?

Catholics believe this is referring to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I know that this is the traditional interpratation, but is it official? Has this verse been infallibly interpreted by the Magesterium, or however that works?

 

[christcnection1]

WelI, I don’t agree with this interpretation. For one thing, “From the rising of the sun to the setting” is not talking about the offering, but God’s name being great. Also, it doesn’t mean every day, it means *all *day. So, you’ve gone from “God’s name will be great all day”, to
“There will be a sacrifice every day”

Perhaps you’re correct in your interpretation. However, I believe God’s name will be great all day and every day. Whether or not there will be an offering every day, this could potentially be reading into the passage too much, but I do see it as a contradiction.

It seems to me that you have jumped a step here. The prophet calls it an offering, but you call it a sacrifice. Do you consider there to be no difference between an offering & a sacrifice?

Not necessarily. I will grant you this. That said, we likely both agree that Jesus offered Himself to the Father for the redemption of the world. This too is a sacrifice, so here there is not necessarily a contradiction.

In this verse the Hebrew word ‘minchah’ is used. It means “gift”, “tribute”, “offering”, or “grain offering”.

Wow, that’s pretty cool. I wonder if this supports the Catholic position? I know there are many references to bread, both in a OT and the NT in terms of an offering.

There are, of course, some occasions where an offering is a sacrifice, and ‘zabach’ could have been used instead of ‘minchah’. Do you consider this to be one of those? If so, or, if not, why?

I am not educated on this topic enough to have a strong opinion.

I know that this is the traditional interpratation, but is it official? Has this verse been infallibly interpreted by the Magesterium, or however that works?

Good question… I am not sure. However, I know that some of the words of that verse are frequently used in the Mass, in reference to our traditional understanding of the passage.

Thanks for participating. This is not a topic I’m very knowledgable in.

 

[Ethan_Enoch]

Wow, that’s pretty cool. I wonder if this supports the Catholic position? I know there are many references to bread, both in a OT and the NT in terms of an offering.

True, but you don’t believe that what’s offered in the Eucharist is actually bread, do you?

I am not educated on this topic enough to have a strong opinion.

Neither am I. I must say though, the idea of the Eucharist as an offering is certainly easier for me then as a sacrifice.

 

[christcnection1]

True, but you don’t believe that what’s offered in the Eucharist is actually bread, do you?

No, not after consecration. But before hand, yes, it is bread, just like Melchisidech offered bread and wine, this was a foreshadowing of the Mass.

Here is a related article:

biblicaltruth.org/sacrific.htm

Neither am I. I must say though, the idea of the Eucharist as an offering is certainly easier for me then as a sacrifice.

It’s would have been easier for me too until I had a better appreciation for what the Church teaches. I also believe that the early Christians taught this, including such writings as in the Didache.

Here is another related article:

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109sbs.asp

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