How do we know that God has intellect?

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How do we know that God has intellect?

I’ve heard that Aquinas has an argument for this, but I’ve tried reading that argument and it doesn’t make very much sense. (Maybe all I’m asking is for someone to translate that section of the Summa! LOL)

I’m looking for an argument from reason alone.

I’m not looking for a “God of the gaps” argument, so please don’t point to nature’s complexity.

When I say “God” I’m referring to the Uncaused Cause and I’m speaking strictly philosophically, so please don’t point towards anything known about God from the Bible, Tradition or Divine Revelation.

Thanks.
 
How do we know that God has intellect?

I’ve heard that Aquinas has an argument for this, but I’ve tried reading that argument and it doesn’t make very much sense. (Maybe all I’m asking is for someone to translate that section of the Summa! LOL)

I’m looking for an argument from reason alone.

I’m not looking for a “God of the gaps” argument, so please don’t point to nature’s complexity.

When I say “God” I’m referring to the Uncaused Cause and I’m speaking strictly philosophically, so please don’t point towards anything known about God from the Bible, Tradition or Divine Revelation.

Thanks.
You might look at these from Book 1, ch 44 of the SCG.

" [5] Again, a thing is intelligent because it is without matter. A sign of this is the fact that forms are made understood in act by abstraction from matter. And hence the intellect deals with universals and not singulars, for matter is the principle of individuation. But forms that are understood in act become one with the intellect that understands them in act. Therefore, if forms are understood in act because they are without matter, a thing must be intelligent because it is without matter. But we have shown that God is absolutely immaterial. God is, therefore, intelligent.

[6] Then, too, as was shown above, no perfection found in any genus of things is lacking to God. Nor on this account does any composition follow in Him. But among the perfections; of things the greatest is that something be intelligent, for thereby it is in a manner all things, having within itself the perfections of all things. God is, therefore, intelligent.

[7] Again, that which tends determinately to some end either has set itself that end or the end has been set for it by another. Otherwise, it would tend no more to this end than to that. Now, natural things tend to determinate ends. They do not fulfill their natural needs by chance, since they would not do so always or for the most part, but rarely, which is the domain of chance. Since, then, things do not set for themselves an end, because they have no notion of what an end is, the end must be set for them by another, who is the author of nature. He it is who gives being to all things and is through Himself the necessary being. We call Him God, as is clear from what we have said. But God could not set an end for nature unless He had understanding. God is, therefore, intelligent.

[8] Furthermore, everything imperfect derives from something perfect; for the perfect is naturally prior to the imperfect, as is act to potency. But the forms found in particular things are imperfect because they are there in a particular way and not according to the community of their natures. They must therefore be derived from some forms that are perfect and not particular. But such forms cannot exist unless by being understood, since no form is found in its universality except in the intellect. Consequently, these forms must be intelligent, if they be subsistent; for only thus do they have operation. God, then, Who is the first subsistent act, from whom all other things are derived, must be intelligent. "

[5] Again, a thing is intelligent because it is without matter. A sign of this is the fact that forms are made understood in act by abstraction from matter. And hence the intellect deals with universals and not singulars, for matter is the principle of individuation. But forms that are understood in act become one with the intellect that understands them in act. Therefore, if forms are understood in act because they are without matter, a thing must be intelligent because it is without matter. But we have shown that God is absolutely immaterial. God is, therefore, intelligent.

[6] Then, too, as was shown above, no perfection found in any genus of things is lacking to God. Nor on this account does any composition follow in Him. But among the perfections; of things the greatest is that something be intelligent, for thereby it is in a manner all things, having within itself the perfections of all things. God is, therefore, intelligent.

[7] Again, that which tends determinately to some end either has set itself that end or the end has been set for it by another. Otherwise, it would tend no more to this end than to that. Now, natural things tend to determinate ends. They do not fulfill their natural needs by chance, since they would not do so always or for the most part, but rarely, which is the domain of chance. Since, then, things do not set for themselves an end, because they have no notion of what an end is, the end must be set for them by another, who is the author of nature. He it is who gives being to all things and is through Himself the necessary being. We call Him God, as is clear from what we have said. But God could not set an end for nature unless He had understanding. God is, therefore, intelligent.

[8] Furthermore, everything imperfect derives from something perfect; for the perfect is naturally prior to the imperfect, as is act to potency. But the forms found in particular things are imperfect because they are there in a particular way and not according to the community of their natures. They must therefore be derived from some forms that are perfect and not particular. But such forms cannot exist unless by being understood, since no form is found in its universality except in the intellect. Consequently, these forms must be intelligent, if they be subsistent; for only thus do they have operation. God, then, Who is the first subsistent act, from whom all other things are derived, must be intelligent."

dhspriory.org/thomas/english/ContraGentiles1.htm#44

Linus2nd
 
Very simply put, we can deduce that the first cause is a personal being rather than impersonal (like a number) because impersonal beings don’t cause things to happen. It takes an intellect to form the plan and take action.
 
Very simply put, we can deduce that the first cause is a personal being rather than impersonal (like a number) because impersonal beings don’t cause things to happen. It takes an intellect to form the plan and take action.
Yes, praise the Lord, my soul!!!
 
Very simply put, we can deduce that the first cause is a personal being rather than impersonal (like a number) …
You skipped ahead. I’m not asking if the first cause is a “personal being” or an “impersonal being” because I’m still asking if the first cause is even a “being” instead of an “it”. In order to figure this out I need to know if “it” has intellect - then it could be called a “being”. Which is why I’m asking: How do we know the Uncaused Cause has intellect?
…because impersonal beings don’t cause things to happen.
This is tangential to my question in the OP, but, are you saying only “personal beings” can cause anything to happen? This doesn’t seem right. It seems to me that things happen all the time without “beings” causing them… such as rain, wind and lightning strikes…these things have natural causes. Even though reason can lead us to the idea of an Uncaused Cause, it doesn’t necessarily follow that this Uncaused Cause is a “being”. That is exactly where I’m trying to get… how can we show that the Uncaused Cause has intellect and is therefor a “being”?
It takes an intellect to form the plan and take action.
I don’t think that the argument for an Uncaused Cause defends the idea that “it” can make a “plan and take action”…

So again my question is: How do we show that the Uncaused Cause has intellect?
 
You might look at these from Book 1, ch 44 of the SCG.



Linus2nd
I’ve looked at those. I honestly need someone to translate that into modern English. Would really appreciate it. I don’t understand it when I read it, it sounds like nonsense…(I don’t mean that offensively, I just mean I can’t make sense of it.)

… does it make sense to you Linus2nd, when you read it? I completely don’t get it.
 
I suppose that if you used set theory, then our, angelic and demonic intellects could be represented as a series of small circles, some bigger than others (mine’s the really, really tiny one way out the left of the much bigger Magisterial one, but which seems to have a tiny logo looking like a pill on one side - just kidding).

Sometimes they’d be independent of each other, but at other times they’d overlap, as when a group of people work together on a project for example, or a married couple live together in harmony.

Now either they simply exist by themselves, or they form part of a much larger over-riding set, from which they derive their origin, and in which they have their being. You’ve got a choice - you’ve either got to explain where all these independent intelligence subsets came from since they had an origin, and continue to apear and even disappear as they die, or you acquiesce to the reality of a pre-existing super set of super-intelligence.
 
I’ve looked at those. I honestly need someone to translate that into modern English. Would really appreciate it. I don’t understand it when I read it, it sounds like nonsense…(I don’t mean that offensively, I just mean I can’t make sense of it.)

… does it make sense to you Linus2nd, when you read it? I completely don’t get it.
Yes, they make sense to me, but I have been reading Thomas all my adult life. At this point, for your own peace of mind, you should not use philosophical arguments. You need to study Thomas a few years before you can understand all the terminology and the supporting arguments. Instead you should rely on some of the common sense explanations others above have given.

For instance: You are a person with an intellect. But only a being with an intellect could have given you an intellect. Since only God can create your intellect, he must be intelligent.

God Bless
Linus2nd
 
For instance: You are a person with an intellect. But only a being with an intellect could have given you an intellect. Since only God can create your intellect, he must be intelligent.

God Bless
Linus2nd
But this completely negates evolution… there are highly intelligent creatures such as dogs and dolphins and chimpanzees, obviously not as smart as us but still…and evolution teaches that they came about through natural selection, and the Church has no problem with us accepting that aspect of it… so I feel no need to reject that intellect can develop on it’s own and I reject the premise that only an intelligent being could cause intelligence (that sounds like the God of the gaps argument, sort of).

So … I am doomed to years of studying Aquinas to make any sense of him or just accepting based on no rational argument whatsoever that God is intelligent and is therefor a person? Wow, that sucks…

Can’t anyone give me a good rational argument as to why the Uncaused Cause is intelligent in terms that I could understand? I’m really not that stupid but Aquinas just doesn’t make outright sense to me…can someone explain him to me? It would really help me out of this rut… thanks.
 
Can’t anyone give me a good rational argument as to why the Uncaused Cause is intelligent in terms that I could understand? I’m really not that stupid but Aquinas just doesn’t make outright sense to me…can someone explain him to me? It would really help me out of this rut… thanks.
Well I think that Linus is correct that understanding why God has an intellect is difficult to grasp without a lot of Thomistic metaphysical groundwork that needs to be done.

I think it may help if you provide what your understanding of “being intellectual” means. When we say that a human being has an intellect, what do you understand that to mean? If we know where you are coming from it may help us to help you see why God is Intellect Itself.
 
Well I think that Linus is correct that understanding why God has an intellect is difficult to grasp without a lot of Thomistic metaphysical groundwork that needs to be done.

I think it may help if you provide what your understanding of “being intellectual” means. When we say that a human being has an intellect, what do you understand that to mean? If we know where you are coming from it may help us to help you see why God is Intellect Itself.
:sigh: I don’t know. 😦

I suppose “having thoughts”? :confused:

Plants, I imagine, don’t have thoughts…we don’t think of them as intelligent…but I imagine chimps and dolphins “think”, although perhaps not as abstractly as we do… but I do think of them as having intelligence…
 
:sigh: I don’t know. 😦
Well I think Socrates would approve of that statement ;). Now the learning can begin, although I am not sure I understand this all that well myself, but I can try to help.
I suppose “having thoughts”? :confused:

Plants, I imagine, don’t have thoughts…we don’t think of them as intelligent…but I imagine chimps and dolphins “think”, although perhaps not as abstractly as we do… but I do think of them as having intelligence…
What does “having a thought” mean though? We can have true and false thoughts it seems, so what do you think is happening when one has a “true thought?” Is it all just a bunch of mental images or is there something more to it? Let’s not worry too much about whether animals have thoughts or not at this point since that is a separate discussion. We know that we have thoughts at least.
 
But this completely negates evolution… there are highly intelligent creatures such as dogs and dolphins and chimpanzees, obviously not as smart as us but still…and evolution teaches that they came about through natural selection, and the Church has no problem with us accepting that aspect of it… so I feel no need to reject that intellect can develop on it’s own and I reject the premise that only an intelligent being could cause intelligence (that sounds like the God of the gaps argument, sort of).

So … I am doomed to years of studying Aquinas to make any sense of him or just accepting based on no rational argument whatsoever that God is intelligent and is therefor a person? Wow, that sucks…

Can’t anyone give me a good rational argument as to why the Uncaused Cause is intelligent in terms that I could understand? I’m really not that stupid but Aquinas just doesn’t make outright sense to me…can someone explain him to me? It would really help me out of this rut… thanks.
You asked for a philosophical proof. Thomas is all that is available by way of philosophical proof. The intellect does not " develope, " that would be contrary to Catholic teaching. God created your soul at the moment you were conceived and implanted it into your body. Your intellect is a power of your soul. It did not evolve. BTW, evolution is a forgidden topic on these forums, so let’s not go further in that direction.

Linus2nd
 
You asked for a philosophical proof. Thomas is all that is available by way of philosophical proof.
Linus2nd
Thomas Aquinas is the only one that has used philosophy to show that the Uncaused Cause has intellect? I didn’t realize that.
The intellect does not " develope, " that would be contrary to Catholic teaching. God created your soul at the moment you were conceived and implanted it into your body. Your intellect is a power of your soul. It did not evolve. BTW, evolution is a forgidden topic on these forums, so let’s not go further in that direction.

Linus2nd
God makes our soul at the same time we’re conceived and then implants it into our body - a fertilized egg? Is this really Catholic teaching? I didn’t think that our soul and our body were “separate” like that.

This idea that God makes our soul and puts it into our body is like many many steps ahead of is the Uncaused Cause even a “being” instead of an “it”…
BTW, evolution is a forgidden topic on these forums, so let’s not go further in that direction.

Linus2nd
Sorry, didn’t realize it couldn’t even be mentioned. I’m not looking to debate it.
 
Well I think Socrates would approve of that statement ;). Now the learning can begin, although I am not sure I understand this all that well myself, but I can try to help.

What does “having a thought” mean though? We can have true and false thoughts it seems, so what do you think is happening when one has a “true thought?” Is it all just a bunch of mental images or is there something more to it? Let’s not worry too much about whether animals have thoughts or not at this point since that is a separate discussion. We know that we have thoughts at least.
I would probably say “having thought” means… a combination of emotions/feelings, memories, desires… ??? :confused: I have no clue. LOL
 
Thomas Aquinas is the only one that has used philosophy to show that the Uncaused Cause has intellect? I didn’t realize that.
I’m sure others have but Thomas is the only one I’m familiar with.
God makes our soul at the same time we’re conceived and then implants it into our body - a fertilized egg? Is this really Catholic teaching? I didn’t think that our soul and our body were “separate” like that.
I’m sorry, I misstated that. What I meant to say is that it is logical to assume that God implants the soul at the moment of conception. The Church’s position is that we are uncertain at what precise moment that might be but we must assume that whatever is human now has always been human. That would mean that the soul was implanted at the moment of conception. But there is no official teaching.
This idea that God makes our soul and puts it into our body is like many many steps ahead of is the Uncaused Cause even a “being” instead of an “it”…
Thomas gives five proofs for the existence of God in the Summa Theologiae. Others have given other proofs. See for example: 20 proofs for God’s existence here: strangenotions.com/god-exists/

Part 1 of the Catechisms give rational reasons for God’s existence as well.

You are aware that it is Catholic Dogma and Doctrine that God is intelligent, right?

God Bless

Linus2nd
 
. . . there are highly intelligent creatures such as dogs and dolphins and chimpanzees, obviously not as smart as us but still. . . I am doomed to years of studying Aquinas to make any sense of him or just accepting based on no rational argument whatsoever that God is intelligent and is therefor a person? . . . Can’t anyone give me a good rational argument as to why the Uncaused Cause is intelligent in terms that I could understand? . . .
Perhaps you should ask your dog. I am serious, if you think the dog has intellect.
I am not a philosopher but I may be able to give you some kind of answer if you could please first define intellect.
 
Thomas gives five proofs for the existence of God in the Summa Theologiae. Others have given other proofs. See for example: 20 proofs for God’s existence here: strangenotions.com/god-exists/

Part 1 of the Catechisms give rational reasons for God’s existence as well.

You are aware that it is Catholic Dogma and Doctrine that God is intelligent, right?

God Bless

Linus2nd
I’ll check out the strangenotions.com list…

I’m aware of the Church’s teaching on God… but I’ve been having a crisis of faith and I’m trying to start from scratch. I’m a convert to Catholicism, 5 years now and this last year has been rough. The last few weeks especially. I’m not talking about my life circumstances - everything is dandy. But my doubts have gotten too strong to ignore so I’m trying to go back to the beginning, find the arguments that lead to belief in the Catholic faith, and I’m trying to understand the arguments from reason alone that lead to God, but the only one that seemed very strong was the Uncaused Cause… but like I said before that doesn’t necessitate intelligence, so I’m trying to understand that…

I didn’t go through this before when I converted…I guess I wasn’t being thorough enough but I assumed Theism and the Resurrection and only looked at the arguments for Catholicism as opposed to other Christian denominations. I didn’t do the whole reasons for theism vs atheism. Now that I’ve been exploring those, mainly because I had been reading through strangenotions.com, I am finding the arguments against theism most compelling…except the Uncaused Cause one…but I’m trying to see it one point at a time to make sure I get it all…
 
You know how beavers are like the engineers of the animal kingdom.
Yeah, somebody observed what happens when you place a recorder playing stream noises on the ground.
You guessed it, they covered it with branches. It’s sort of the same instinct as my cats in the kitty litter box.
I have not come across any other physical being with an intellect.

Knowing what is intellect, I think it is obvious God has an intellect.
 
I realise I am straying into areas you specifically asked the discussion not to go into, but for me, the proof that God is intelligent is in the way that Creation is put together.

Quantum physics stipulates a conscious being affects the way physical laws will behave. This goes to the heart of what is primary, being or matter. I see physics as rationally supporting the"being is primary" argument. And that being is intellectual.

To enter into another area you asked the discussion not to go into - the apocryphal ‘gospel’ of Thomas mentions Jesus postulating - if flesh should originate from spirit that is a wonder, but if spirit should originate from flesh, that is a wonder of wonders.

I think the laws of quantum physics strongly suggest that it is flesh which originates from intellectual spirit.

Therefore God has intellect.
 
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