How do you eat a symbol?

[PRmerger]

Thank you for this source.

It helps reinforce how erroneous your assertion was:

"Byzantine tradition is not something that contradicts the Roman Catholic tradition of original sin. Rather, it’s another approach to that mystery that we “can’t fully understand”.

I repeat, Cybo, and lurkers: this was from the very source that Cybo cited.

Byzantine tradition is NOT something that contradicts Roman Catholicism. But rather, it is simply another approach.

QED.

Oh, and I just read this, again from the very source Cybo used: (bold mine):

“We have many unique approaches to the mystery of sin found in our Byzantine tradition. Ones that are not at odds with the Roman Catholic tradition but represent different approaches to a shared mystery.”

 

[Cybophonia]

Amen!

Please, note, lurkers: NOTHING is said here about Eastern Catholics being permitted to reject purgatory, Original Sin, Mary’s Immaculate Conception.

QED.

That was not what we discussed.

Loss #1 for PRmerger.

 

[Cybophonia]

Thank you for this source.

It helps reinforce how erroneous your assertion was:

"Byzantine tradition is not something that contradicts the Roman Catholic tradition of original sin. Rather, it’s another approach to that mystery that we “can’t fully understand”.

I repeat, Cybo, and lurkers: this was from the very source that Cybo cited.

Byzantine tradition is NOT something that contradicts Roman Catholicism. But rather, it is simply another approach.

QED.

That doesn’t change the fact that the Eastern Catholics use the Ancestral Sin and not Original Sin.

Loss #2 for PRmerger.

 

[Adonia]

On personal note, I think the Eucharist is the single most privilege any person can have, to a relationship with Jesus because it is his Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

However as it is known, not all Christians believe in the Real Presence and thus my query. If the bread is just a symbol, does it make sense to eat and ingest a mere symbol?

Thoughts?

MJ

It would make no sense at all to eat and ingest a mere symbol. This kind of thinking that the Holy Eucharist is a mere symbol goes against all Christian teaching from the very beginning of the Church.

 

[Cybophonia]

Oh, and I just read this, again from the very source Cybo used: (bold mine):

“We have many unique approaches to the mystery of sin found in our Byzantine tradition. Ones that are not at odds with the Roman Catholic tradition but represent different approaches to a shared mystery.”

That is why they are in communion with the RCC and not with EOC, doh! This is not what it was discussed. Loss #3 for PRmerger, besides the losses from yesterday.

That doesn’t change the fact that they have Eastern Orthodox theology, namely Ancestral Sin instead of Original Sin(“different approach”), the agree to disagree on Purgatory(Ec refraining from using the term Purgatory), technically no Immaculate Conception (none other than the whole world is born Immaculate, children are innocent,etc), Palamite theology - Hesychasm , Divine energies (the RCC does not have it)… The Eastern Catholics believe grace is an uncreated energy of God like the Eastern Orthodox, while the Roman Catholics believe grace is created. They are constrained to recognise the Roman Catholic Church and their theology as it is in communion with them.

P.S There are more but for the respect of this thread I would not continue with this. The course of this thread has deviated a lot. If you want to discuss this subject open a thread on the Eastern Catholic section.

You have 3 losses today besides the losses from yesterday, now the whole world can see how big of a loser you are .

 

[PRmerger]

That was not what we discussed.

Loss #1 for PRmerger.

Perhaps you should review the dialogue, Cybo.

Do you wish to retract this:

They don’t believe in the Original Sin, but instead in the Ancestral Sin, just like Orthodox.

They don’t believe in Purgatory, just like Orthodox.

They don’t believe in the Immaculated conception, just like Orthodox.

 

[PRmerger]

That doesn’t change the fact that the Eastern Catholics use the Ancestral Sin and not Original Sin.

Er…if you are asserting that different terminology is used for the same understanding…then, sure. shrug.

Eastern Catholics use a different phrase for Original Sin.

Are you really going to say that because some people call this a “car” and other people call it an “automobile”, that their understanding of what it is is totally different?

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Really?

Also, I am still waiting for your citation from the Treaty of Brest that says that Eastern Catholics reject purgatory.

Thanks!

 

[PRmerger]

That is why they are in communion with the RCC and not with EOC, doh!

EXCELLENT!!!

I am happy to see you come to this understanding!

:extrahappy:

 

[Cybophonia]

EXCELLENT!!!

I am happy to see you come to this understanding!

:extrahappy:

Is this a joke?

You look like you have a 10 year old’s intellect.

I never claimed the opposite.

Loss #4 PRmerger.

 

[PRmerger]

Is this a joke?

You look like you have a 10 year old’s intellect.

I never claimed the opposite.

I am sorry that you have not learned how to dialogue here the way other folks who have differing opinions have: with charity and an ability to refute and argue in a sanguine and academic manner.

Bye.

 

[Cybophonia]

Er…if you are asserting that different terminology is used for the same understanding…then, sure. shrug.

Eastern Catholics use a different phrase for Original Sin.

Are you really going to say that because some people call this a “car” and other people call it an “automobile”, that their understanding of what it is is totally different?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...free_Driving.jpg/220px-Hands-free_Driving.jpg

Really?

Also, I am still waiting for your citation from the Treaty of Brest that says that Eastern Catholics reject purgatory.

Thanks!

“Coincidently” they call it the same way Eastern Orthodox do .

Loss #5 PRmerger.

 

[PRmerger]

It would make no sense at all to eat and ingest a mere symbol. This kind of thinking that the Holy Eucharist is a mere symbol goes against all Christian teaching from the very beginning of the Church.

Indeed.

All who disagreed with Christ–it’s too much of a “hard saying”, left him.

Those who obeyed, stayed with Him. “To whom would we go, Lord?”

Indeed. To whom.

 

[Cybophonia]

Perhaps you should review the dialogue, Cybo.

Do you wish to retract this:

reject ≠ disbelieve (don’t believe)

also from theory to practice there is sometimes big difference.

Loss #6 PRmerger

 

[Cybophonia]

Also, I am still waiting for your citation from the Treaty of Brest that says that Eastern Catholics reject purgatory.

Thanks!

That’s not what it was discussed.

Since you insist…

The Eastern Catholics it’s ambiguous concerning Purgatory and refrain from using the word Purgatory in their theology (according to the Treaty of Brest), the Orthodox deny it.

loss #7 for PRmerger

Are you sure you want to continue on this tone ?

 

[PRmerger]

I have not studied this subject much and in depth, and so in a personal opinion, that made sense - to keep the faith (belief, teaching and practices) unchanging and one. Thus a priest could only practice if he is given a faculty by his bishop, who in turn was appointed through a line that could be traced back to an apostle.

Yes. Only the CC and the Orthodox have a priesthood that can be traced back to the Apostles.

Each of our priests were ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop <snip 2000 years> who was ordained by an Apostle…who was ordained by Christ.

How magnificent is that!!??!!

 

[Cybophonia]

I am sorry that you have not learned how to dialogue here the way other folks who have differing opinions have: with charity and an ability to refute and argue in a sanguine and academic manner.

Bye.

Sorry for the harsh comment. I take it back.

Perhaps it is my bad experience with the Orthodox forums that I am so acid. I apologise for that. I like what I found on this forum a lot. It is a civil, caring and edifying community. So “” for Catholic Answers Forums!

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

The topic.
Not each other.

 

[steve_b]

For me it isn’t the discipline as much as authority - and this is because there are some teachings that I don’t see within the early Christians and, if I can be convinced that these teachings were practiced by them I would throw off my life vest and swim the Tiber in an instant. I have not been convinced as of yet.

God bless!!

Rita

What teachings specifically, have been the deal breaker so far