How do you explain, gently, to nihilists, that parents are not idiots?

[MamaZona]

Hearing her talk about all the moms she knows, I would not be surprised within twenty years that we will be seeing a very nasty public debate about whether child bearing is a right or a privilege. In my view, clearly the world is drastically overpopulated with humans and has been for many years. My mentor in raptor research, who was the only female graduate student of Aldo Leopold, said that she and her husband determined way back in the 1930s that the planet was already overcrowded with humans and they decided to have two children only.

I would not be surprised to eventually see involuntarily sterilization in the U.S., though it will likely depend on the political impact of the increase of the Hispanic population, who are Catholic and heavy breeders and burgeoning heavy voters and a political force to themselves in U.S. politics. I think it is too late even now to change the U.S. Constitution which grants U.S. citizenship to everyone born here, even if their parents are here illegally. So, poor women from the South and from China and elsewhere continue to sneak into the country or do whatever it takes to get to a hospital in the U.S. and give birth to a U.S. citizen. From there, the immigrant rights people can bitterly resist deportation of the adults who are only too willing to abandon their citizen children in the U.S. with relatives or whomever until they become of age and can begin to arrange residency for those who bore them and the gillions of foreign born brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and grandparents and whomever. And it appears from here that the concept of overpopulation is as foreign to Hispanic people as “wealth re-distribution” is to John McCain.

So, as I sort of think this out, it seems likely that the aforementioned debate will NOT occur because they Hispanics will drown it out. And maybe the Pope will appoint a President by 2024 who is anti-abortion, bilingual, a proponent of recyling, got wealthy in the diaper service business, loves little babies, and possibly a pedophile, too. God works in mysterious ways if you believe in religion – but we have already touched on that debate

But since we are headed towards planetary collapse with tons of human suffering and death, the bottom line is that a million or a billion more human carcasses on the landscape will not affect the end result that much. And the California condors may experience a population boom feeding on human remains before all is said and done.

This was in response to a response I had posted to a fellow I once spoke with regarding the topic of Peak Oil (a topic I’m curious about and once considered trying to write an article on, but decided not to for a variety of reasons).

I keep reading the blog, here and there, out of mild curiosity and because the fellow had some interesting points when I spoke with him (the owner of the blog, not this other person).

I also occasionally like to add some more positive comments to the discussion–as most seem to center around misanthropic themes.

So, what do you say to people who hate “breeders” and children and humanity in general? How do you look that in the face and respond with the sort of grace God would want you to?

 

[happymommy]

Not sure if anything you say will sink in. That is one unhappy person!

 

[SeekerJen]

Ugh, a closet racist hiding behind a platform of overpopulation. I’m not sure there’s much you can do. People like that are often rather delusional and there’s not much reasoning with a crazy person.

 

[MamaZona]

Ugh, a closet racist hiding behind a platform of overpopulation. I’m not sure there’s much you can do. People like that are often rather delusional and there’s not much reasoning with a crazy person.

True. It was kind of amazed at the assumption that the entire Latin world is some kind of Catholic monolith. It’s like thinking all Irish are Catholics and all the people in the South are Protestants and all the people living on the East Coast are Liberal Secularists.

I can’t wrap my head around that sort of simplistic thinking. Each person is an individual. Even within Catholicism itself you have a diverse group of people with many opinions and topics of debate.

I just hate the term “breeders”. As if children are some kind of blight? Then again, this same person calls people a “cancer” on the earth.

Amazing. How sad his world must be? Poor fellow, I hope he gets some psychological help. Those are the words of a truly tortured soul.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Oh you can’t be gentle with nihilists. You must thunk them upon their noggin, as they think it is so chock-full of information to deliver to us, the Unenlightened. Then you must burst their bubble of self-satisfaction. Passive-agression in Q&A format usually does this.

 

[MamaZona]

Oh you can’t be gentle with nihilists. You must thunk them upon their noggin, as they think it is so chock-full of information to deliver to us, the Unenlightened. Then you must burst their bubble of self-satisfaction. Passive-agression in Q&A format usually does this.

It just gets my temper boiling and I worry that I’ll slip from thunking them to bludgeoning… God help us all if the devil on my shoulder hopped down and let loose. He’s lucky my guardian angel is helping me relax these days

 

[Vanny]

I don’t know if there’s anything to you can do to change someone’s mindset who believes in that sort of thing.

I think it’s a Holy Spirit thing. I had a good friend, who really believed after college that people should have no more than two children, one was better. We would go round and round about that. she wasn’t anti- child completly at all- she liked children, just thought the world was terribly overpopulated -especially the third world(i.e. hispanic and asian countries) I kept trying to tell her about the sublte racism and the racist, eugenic roots of all these philosophies- but it didn’t sink in.

But she has now become a Christian(had a conversion experience, evangelical) and does not believe in those philosophies anymore!! Many people in the church she attends have 3-4 children. So I think sometimes you just have to pray for these people.

And in response to that guy’s blog- i say Thank God for our Catholic hispanic immigrants and the Pope- especially if they are going to ward off involuntary sterilization!!

 

[MamaZona]

And in response to that guy’s blog- i say Thank God for our Catholic hispanic immigrants and the Pope- especially if they are going to ward off involuntary sterilization!!

I’m glad for your friend. It’s a sad life otherwise.

And YES!! I thought exactly the same thing about our Hispanic Catholic brothers and sisters! And the Pope! I read comments from people like this and it strengthens my resolve to support the Church in every way I can find to do so.