How do you respond to this question on abortion?

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“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
 
I mean, the Catholic Church doesn’t declare tobacco as being sinful, but I still would prefer it be banned.
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
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I think it is important to keep in mind that the abortion question is not fundamentally a religious one.

We can know that abortion is immoral through reason alone. We don’t, strictly speaking, need the Church to tell us (although it is certainly helpful that she reminds us).
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
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To be “OK with it” is not to positively require it. There is no problem with you declining to see abortion as good. So where do you see the problem arising?
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
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The day my church tells me it’s suddenly okay to take the life of a living human being, let alone the most helpless among us, is the day I know I’m in the wrong church.

I agree with a former poster, this is not going to happen in the Catholic church.
 
DaddyGirl said:
…All the above–and more I did not mention–do not support tampering with a woman’s legal right to have an abortion.
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If a Church revised what it once held to be intrinsically immoral (abortion) to now be moral BECAUSE a legal right was instituted, then that Church has little to offer.

And if the church always held abortion to be moral, your statement has no application.
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
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It’s the same as saying “If your religion said murder was OK…”. Think about how you would answer that and then apply the same answer to abortion.
 
Abortion is not right or wrong because of what a church teaches; it is wrong in and of itself. One can tell it’s wrong through reason.
 
holyrood said:
The day my church tells me it’s suddenly okay to take the life of a living human being, let alone the most helpless among us, is the day I know I’m in the wrong church.

I agree with a former poster, this is not going to happen in the Catholic church.
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Is there any other church or churches that share the same exact view on abortion as the Catholic Church does?

The Catholic Church will never, ever, ever, change their position on abortion, be confident of that.
 
I would explain the Church, even the Catholic Church, has no authority to teach against what God has declared. Therefore that church is of human origin or control, and thereby not to be followed.

Pax
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

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This is definitely a false statement. The beliefs, or ‘religion’, of progressives includes abortion being okay. Progressives still care very much about the legality of the matter.
 
It seems more like a claim about an individual than a claim about religion or abortion.
 
Things covered by the law, declared illegal and to varying degrees, change all the time and vary from place to place.

With respect to abortion, we learn constantly new things about babies in the womb.

Some say that “it” is not a baby until it can love back.

Or that it has to be able to feel pain in order to be a baby.

But we have learned over time that the age of viability has gotten earlier and earlier.

So, is there some consistent principle that we can apply?

The inescapable conclusion is that a baby in the womb in a human person from conception.

And that any abortion ends a human life.

And regardless of what the “law” states.

If the egg of a turtle or of an eagle is protected, then why not protect a pre-born human baby?
 
St_Francis said:
Abortion is not right or wrong because of what a church teaches; it is wrong in and of itself. One can tell it’s wrong through reason.
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Yes

In another time there was another immoral but legal institution that existed.

Slavery was at one time legal but has always been immoral.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Maybe it’s an unlikely scenario to happen to a Catholic, but not to other kinds of Christians.

United Church of Christ believes in the availability of safe and legal abortions and that they are consistent with a woman’s right to “follow the dictates of her own faith.”
Unitarian Universalists believe in women’s rights to choose both contraception and abortion as an “expression of their constitutional rights.”
The Presbyterian Church USA and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America are essentially pro-choice.
And, the United Methodist Church supports the legal option of abortion under certain circumstances.
All the above–and more I did not mention–do not support tampering with a woman’s legal right to have an abortion.
I would imagine their doctrines have an effect on their members.

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I believe it’s more a case of the members having an effect on their doctrines.
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
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I’d say that I would care because I believe abortion to be a civil rights issue as well as a moral issue. I would remind them that there was a time in America when Native American’s were not considered human and they were called savages and they were killed and their land was taken. I would remind them that there was a time in America when African Americans were not considered human and they were called despicable names, they were beaten, treated as beasts of burden and often worked to death or just simply killed. I would remind them there was a time in America when women were not considered equally human and were not allowed to vote, could not own property separately from their husband, and were often treated as the property of their husband or father, etc. etc. I would them tell them that today in America many claim that a fetus is not human, or is not fully human, or is not sentient, or is not whatever they need to come up with in order to justify its killing. I would ask them if they have any concern about their position regarding the killing of unborn humans given our nations history of treating certain groups of people (actual human beings) in our nation as subhuman or as not equally human and using that as an excuse to mistreat or murder them.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
AFerri48 said:
“If your religion said abortion was okay, you wouldn’t care at all about the legality of the matter.”

Personally, I feel that I would still be against it if the Catholic Church was for it, however, it seems like a false scenario.
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If this was remotely true, no one would ever leave their religion because of disagreeing with it.

So there is that.

Two there are athesits against abortion… so 🤷

The entire arguement is only to cast doubt on you personally (the person they are talking to) to make you wonder if you “agree” with prolife or just towing the “party line” as it were.
 
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