How Does God Know Us According to Saint Thomas

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I came across the following and wondered if it is really true:
“Now I realize that Aristotle’s God is supposed to not stand in subject-object relations to us; and that Aquinas followed Aristotle, I guess, in saying that God isn’t “really related” to creatures, knows about us indirectly, as it were, by contemplating His own essence that somehow mirrors everything else (without this essence itself being related to these other things??!! Wow! Does it just “happen” to reflect them?). But I can’t make anything of this. It sounds like an attempt to get Christian theology into line with Aristotelian orthodoxy. I don’t know why one would feel obliged to stick by this, unless one were Catholic and took very seriously the papal injunctions to follow Thomas on everything…but I have plenty of serious Catholic colleagues, fans of St. Thomas, who have to admit that at some points the reconciliation of Aristotle that Thomas tried to carry off just doesn’t work (and, post-Vatican II, I don’t think Catholic theologians are required to stick this close to St. Thomas on every point; but I could be wrong). This looks to me to be one of the places where the synthesis just doesn’t work.”
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Does Thomas teach that God only knows about us indirectly and has no real relation to his creatures? Thank you so much for your help in resolving this matter.
 
The closest I have found (after about three minutes) is by searching “thomas aquinas god mirrors essence” in google and clicking on the sixth link down that says “Basic Writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas: God and the Order of Creation.” Obj. 2 of article 8 especially hints at God knowing things through himself.

You also might want to check out this blog post: aquinasblog.com/16-trinity.html
If you go to the very bottom of the page where a heading in the post says “us” you can read a bit more about God’s knowledge of us according to Aquinas. You might want to go to the original source of the quote the blogger uses, whichever section of the Summa it’s from.
 
I came across the following and wondered if it is really true:

opentheism.info/index.php/tag/holy-spirit/

Does Thomas teach that God only knows about us indirectly and has no real relation to his creatures? Thank you so much for your help in resolving this matter.
God know all possible things and all actual things. S.T., Part 1, Ques 14, Arts 5 & 6. So he knows us directly and the relationship is that of effect to cause. Linus2nd
 
I came across the following and wondered if it is really true:

opentheism.info/index.php/tag/holy-spirit/

Does Thomas teach that God only knows about us indirectly and has no real relation to his creatures? Thank you so much for your help in resolving this matter.
No.

Saint Thomas was aware while he was still in Church Militant that God knew him intimately, far beyond his own knowledge of himself. It is true that God knows us through Himself, since He is the Store of all Knowledge, but that knowing us through Himself cannot be thought of as “indirect.” There is no more direct knowledge than the knowledge God has. Our knowledge of God may be direct (i.e. in the Eucharist) or indirect (through inference and philosophy) but all of God’s Knowledge is direct, i.e. through Himself.
 
I think it would be better for you to take the trouble to study it yourself. Linus2nd
Starting with…? I don’t mean to be a bother, I’m just trying to learn as much as I can. Thank you.
 
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