How does God not have a beginning?

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Many Atheists have tried to convince me that there is no God and have weak arguments (One guy told me Mary saying WWII will break out during the pontificate of Pus XI was a coincidence and that ‘names do happen’🤷). The one stumbling block I run into is whether or not God had a beginning. Everything finite does, God is not finite, but how could he always exist?
 
Many Atheists have tried to convince me that there is no God and have weak arguments (One guy told me Mary saying WWII will break out during the pontificate of Pus XI was a coincidence and that ‘names do happen’🤷). The one stumbling block I run into is whether or not God had a beginning. Everything finite does, God is not finite, but how could he always exist?
God exists “outside” of time. In fact, God created time as part of his Creation of this universe. God revealed his name (i.e. his essence) to Moses as “I AM.” So the essence of God is pure existence.

Outside of this world, time does not exist. It’s a hard thing to grasp because we can’t imagine there being “not time.”

I realize that this answer is probably unsatisfactory, so I hope somebody else can answer it in a better way 🙂
 
Hi, Gift. That’s a great question!

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Try asking your atheist friend if every effect has a cause.

If she says, “No,” ask her to please give you an example.

If she says, “Yes,” then ask her what caused the universe.

If she says, “The universe always was,” then ask her why most physicists still believe in the Big Bang theory.

Tell her that for you it takes less faith to believe the first words of the Bible, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” than it does to believe that in the beginning nothing created the heavens and the earth. I mean, science has never observed something being created by nothing.

If she asks questions you can’t answer, say something like, “Good question! Let me research that and get back to you.” And then come back here, or to the Apologetics forum, here, and get more help from one of us.

And remember, it’s too easy to win an argument and lose a friend. So keep it friendly and respectful, as far as it is up to you.

Praying for you to receive wisdom. Keep asking good questions. God bless.

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Many Atheists have tried to convince me that there is no God and have weak arguments (One guy told me Mary saying WWII will break out during the pontificate of Pus XI was a coincidence and that ‘names do happen’🤷). The one stumbling block I run into is whether or not God had a beginning. Everything finite does, God is not finite, but how could he always exist?
It’s a very deep question, so naturally has a correspondingly deep answer.

But in lieu of the deep answer, here’s my thinking 😉 : We are human. Our entire body of knowledge, both of self and the universe is based on ourselves. Our senses, our brain, our experiences etc. But can we imagine something, no SOMEONE, that is so transcendent of all that humans know? Yes! Because we are given a special power, by virtue of Faith (which comes from God.) Because of Faith, I CAN IMAGINE Someone so transcendent, that nothing in my experience would suggest it. How is this possible – I don’t know!

But the point is, God’s infinite attribute is just one of many transcendent attributes that, through Faith, I can imagine. God is Love. That to me is the most staggering attribute of all! That all existence is founded on Love. That when we love, we are seeing a little flicker of the MAIN attribute of God. Yet this world around us seems to make a mockery of that concept, still my Faith says it is true. 😃
 
The one stumbling block I run into is whether or not God had a beginning. Everything finite does, God is not finite, but how could he always exist?
It’s a difficult concept to grasp because we are trying to apply something particular to the universe to something outside the universe where the concept is not quite the same. Time, as we know it, is a measure of a quantity, just like gallons or liters or cubic feet. All of those depend on a universe to exist. If you had no universe, where would you find a liter of anything or 2 lbs of something? You can’t.

Likewise with time. Time has to be a measured “something.” Today we use the standard of an atomic clock, which measures the very precise frequency of microwave radiation given off by electrons as they change energy levels in an atomic structure. Less than two years ago the National Institute of Standards and Technology built a clock from aluminum and mercury atoms that loses less than one second in a billion years. Point is, something has to be measured. You can’t measure anything in a universe of nothing.

St. Thomas Aquinas used an example of time in terms of a person walking along a road and not being able to see others who walked the same road before or after him. But, he said, if one was to observe the road from a high spot like a mountain, where they could see far ahead and behind, they could observe several different people walking at any point along the road. This, in his analogy, would be like being able to see the past, present and future, where someone on the road could only see their own present.

Going back to the question of God as a first cause, that is, a being who causes but was not Himself caused, time would not be able to exist prior to being caused. It would have to come at some point after the first causer. Such a being, with the capacity to create time, would not Himself be constrained by it. That would violate the concept of first cause and the idea that nothing created is itself greater than the one who created it.

Time also has to do with matter and space. What if there is no matter and no space as we understand them, such as in a spiritual existence? We aren’t sure what that entails exactly other than the idea of it being eternal. That is an imperfect understanding because the concept of eternal, in our understanding, is time-based; it means forever, as in time continuing with no end point. It doesn’t really address what “outside time” would be, but only helps us to understand the concept though in an imperfect way.
 
Many Atheists have tried to convince me that there is no God and have weak arguments (One guy told me Mary saying WWII will break out during the pontificate of Pus XI was a coincidence and that ‘names do happen’🤷). The one stumbling block I run into is whether or not God had a beginning. Everything finite does, God is not finite, but how could he always exist?
Your wasting your time discussing Scripture with an atheist.
Pray for them.
If you can’t provide answers to their questions look the question up on the net or ask your pastor.

“Jesus Christ is the same yestersday today and forever.” Heb.13:8
Jn.1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. he was with God in the beginning. verse 3, "through Him all things were made; that has been made.
Col.1:15 “For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for him.”

Jesus is God robed in flesh.
Do you think an atheist would understand what the word of God is saying?

God bless you,
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God exists “outside” of time. In fact, God created time as part of his Creation of this universe. God revealed his name (i.e. his essence) to Moses as “I AM.” So the essence of God is pure existence.

Outside of this world, time does not exist. It’s a hard thing to grasp because we can’t imagine there being “not time.”

I realize that this answer is probably unsatisfactory, so I hope somebody else can answer it in a better way 🙂
Yeah i used to sit and try to think of how it would feel to be outside of time, it’s impossible to answer. Kinda like when i asked my 3rd grade teacher “what contains the universe”.
 
Philosopher Peter Kreeft has some excellent resources (both print and audio) on this subject that are sure to help you (and hopefully your friend as well).

You can find them here.
 
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