How far do you go?

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How far do you go in “loving” the sinner? Some people assert that the “love” is not a wishy-washy, “let’s just be tolerant” to the lifestyle of others. They say that “true love” is to help the sinner to give up sin, and if that needs strong, no-holds-barred wording, then so be it. Some even try to justify really hateful words and phrases, like “perverts”, “sickos” etc.

Now I cannot accept that calling someone intentionally hurtful, hateful, derogatory words can be called an expression of “love”. But that may be my fault.

The question is different this time: “if you wish to ‘help’ the sinners, how far do you go in this endeavor?”. Suppose that you encounter some “perverts”, who participate in non-procreative sex (whichever form it takes) and you wish to “help” them to mend their ways. Suppose you talk to them in a kind, friendly fashion, and they simply shrug off your words, maybe not unkindly, but they say that you should mind your own business and leave them alone.

In that case you have several options: 1) leave them alone and pray for them, or 2) keep on pestering them, or 3) may even try to force them (if it would be within your power) or do something else… what would be your decision, and how would you evaluate those who choose a different approach?

There was a good old joke: “The little boyscout comes home and his father asks him what good deeds did he perform today? The boy answers: ‘With the help of five friends I helped an old man cross a busy street’. The father says: ‘very nice… but why did you need your five friends?’. The boy answers: 'Because the old man did not want to cross the street!” I hope you see the point. On what grounds do you interfere with other people’s life (if indeed you do)? And how far do you go with your intent to “help” them, even if they do not wish to be “helped”?
 
We offer them the Truth with Love. And we show no hate to the sinner, for we have also sinned. But we do strongly hate the sin.
 
I can only tell you what worked for me. I didn’t choose to change my life because people spent time telling me how sinful my choices were. I chose to change because I saw something in the lives of people around me that I wanted. I saw their joy, their peace and the fruits of their relationship with God and it made me want it too. When I approached them, they didn’t condemn the life I was living, they introduced me to Jesus and talked about how opening themselves up to His love changed their lives. As I took steps to get closer to Jesus, He helped me to want to change my life.
 
We offer them the Truth with Love. And we show no hate to the sinner, for we have also sinned. But we do strongly hate the sin.
That is fine, but not what I asked. If your words are not accepted, then what will you do?
 
I too wonder about this. I think that when you are a single person or married w/o kids it is easier to use kind words and example to change someone’s mind/ways, but when you are responsible for children you have to consider the example you set for them as well as the message you send to whoever you are dealing with. I think that If you welcome someone with open arms but try to tell them and your kids that what so-and-so is doing is wrong your children will get the wrong message. They will see that you can do wrong and all that will happen to them is a stern talking to and then life goes on. I think that is a mistake. NOw if you don’t have kids then as long as you don’t lose you own faith and morals you should do your best to counsel that person kindly like Christ did.
 
Treat people with respect and dignity. NEVER try to force any correction down their throat. if the person is that bad or unpleasant, just keep your distance and pray.
 
I can only tell you what worked for me. I didn’t choose to change my life because people spent time telling me how sinful my choices were. I chose to change because I saw something in the lives of people around me that I wanted. I saw their joy, their peace and the fruits of their relationship with God and it made me want it too. When I approached them, they didn’t condemn the life I was living, they introduced me to Jesus and talked about how opening themselves up to His love changed their lives. As I took steps to get closer to Jesus, He helped me to want to change my life.
This is my story as well. I wanted what they had. It didn’t require words - I just observed who they were, how they lived and wanted a piece of their JOY.

Condemnation doesn’t work.

Before I became a Christian, the devil was already busy whispering in my ear that I was a worthless piece of garbage whom God could never love. If Church people had reinforced those thoughts by calling me out - naming my sins as disgusting, vile - filthy etc. I would’ve felt hopeless & totally unworthy. Thankfully the Christians I met told me God loved me just the way I was - while I was a sinner (no worse than anyone else) He died for me. They didn’t run down my obvious list of things I needed to change… they invited me into their lives and loved me and over time, God did the rest.

I am a totally different person today bearing zero resemblence to my former self. He truly makes all things new.
 
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