How is Original sin passed on?

[The_Serpent]

How is Original Sin passed on from generation to generation? More specifically, How is Original Sin passed on to children of parents that are Baptized? If both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Chapter 14

For God the author of nature, not vice, created man upright, being of his own will corrupted and justly condemned, begot condemned and corrupted children. For we all were in that one man, who fell into sin by the women who was made from him before the sin. For not yet was the particular form created and distributed to us, in which we as individuals were to live, but already the seminal nature was there from which we were to be propagated; and this being vitiated by sin, and bound by the chains of death, and justly condemned, man could not be born of man in any other state. And thus from the bad use of free will, there originated the whole train of evil, with its concatenation of miseries, convoys the human race from its deprived origin, as from a corrupt root. on to the destruction of the second death, which has no end, and those only being accepted are freed by the grace of God. Augustine/City of God.

Must read!

 

[GaryTaylor]

both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

Sorry I missed the above part. Yes, but, Baptism doesn’t remove Adam and Eves “sin”, we are not guilty of their sin, we are guilty of their punishment, thus it removes their punishment by adoption thus regeneration, its does remove actual sin from those who acquired actual sin beyond the age of reason. In other words it remits both.

 

[pacomius]

baptism sure removes original sin even from both parents of a child. but the first sin changed the nature of man and made him WISE. So we always inherit the nature of our parents.

for instance, if a man and his wife each has two hands naturally, and the two hands of each are cut off, the children they will bear after will still be born with two hands even if their parents do not have hands anymore. this is because the parents by nature had two hands.

so also a child shares in the corrupted WISE NATURE of the parents even if the parents had been baptized and cleansed from original sin before the conception of the Child.

 

[Jon_S_1]

How is Original Sin passed on from generation to generation? More specifically, How is Original Sin passed on to children of parents that are Baptized? If both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

Ultimately, the nature of humanity is separated from God and from what it is supposed to be.

“We live in a fallen world”. God made a fundamental change to the world and human nature when Adam and Eve sinned.

Baptism removed the “stain” of original sin. It allows the individual to reconcile with God, but it does not change the fallen nature. That will only be corrected in the new heaven and new earth at the end of this world.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Original sin is transmitted at conception, through the sin of Adam. So, the parents do not pass on original sin. Source: ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/CEORIGIN.TXT

LOVE!

 

[fhansen]

How is Original Sin passed on from generation to generation? More specifically, How is Original Sin passed on to children of parents that are Baptized? If both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

The exact mechanics of the transmission is unknown. But it seems to me it would be reasonable to assume that God wants each of us to struggle with the same rebellion -and it’s consequences-as Adam did so we can learn for ourselves-the hard way-what he didn’t yet know in Eden: of God’s incomparable goodness and of our absolute need for Him.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

How is Original Sin passed on from generation to generation? More specifically, How is Original Sin passed on to children of parents that are Baptized? If both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

My private interpretation is that Original Sin is not acrually a sin but the absence of God’s sanctifying grace. We inhereted Adam and Eve’s fallen nature and they passed it on to us. The fact that our parents may have been baptized has no effect on us. They still have Adam and Eve’s fallen nature even though they may be in the state of sanctifying grace. Their scantifying grace is not the original state of innocence Adam and Eve had. Since Christ has established his Church he has been giving scantifying grace on an individual basis. But this new grace is not passed on as the Original State of Innocence could have been.

So we inheret the fallen nature which must now be redeemed by Christ through baptism and a good life.

That’s the only way I can understand it. It probably isn’t the exact way the Church explains it, but I don’t think it is heretical. I’m sure someone will correct me if they think I am wrong.

Linus2nd

 

[pacomius]

@linus2.

I’m commending your interpretation of original sin because I think we should be open to fresh and healthy understanding of the scriptures and our faith. as long as it is not misleading, counter productive or contrary to our faith and doctrines anyway.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

@linus2.

I’m commending your interpretation of original sin because I think we should be open to fresh and healthy understanding of the scriptures and our faith. as long as it is not misleading, counter productive or contrary to our faith and doctrines anyway.

Please don’t pass it on as Gospel, it was just a private meditation, it is not intended to replace anything the Church actually teaches. I just think of it as a kind of musing.

Linus2nd

 

[pacomius]

i did not mean it is a gospel. but i will see what I can make out of it.

 

[Bahman]

How is Original Sin passed on from generation to generation? More specifically, How is Original Sin passed on to children of parents that are Baptized? If both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

Original sin is a sole action assuming that it really happened and does carry guilt for those who perform it!

1. Why we should have guilt for the action we have never performed?
2. Why the simple act of Baptizim would remove the guilt?
3. Creating a being who could do sin knowing the fact they are immortal is conceptually problematic since they eventually perform a sin no matter how long it would take! We are talking about an eternal life being very careful to don’t perform a single sin. Does that sound like hell!?

 

[davidv]

Original sin is a sole action assuming that it really happened and does carry guilt for those who perform it!

1. Why we should have guilt for the action we have never performed?

We don’t have any person guilt for the original sin. We, however, continue to suffer the consequences of separation from God, since we lack santifying grace.

1. Why the simple act of Baptizim would remove the guilt?

No guilt to remove. Baptism restores santifying graces and make us a member of God’s family.

1. Creating a being who could do sin knowing the fact they are immortal is conceptually problematic since they eventually perform a sin no matter how long it would take! We are talking about an eternal life being very careful to don’t perform a single sin.

Faulty logic. Strawman.

Does that sound like hell!?

What is “that”?

 

[Bahman]

Doesn’t really matter my friend. We are apparently playing with words.

We don’t have any person guilt for the original sin. We, however, continue to suffer the consequences of separation from God, since we lack santifying grace.

Why we should be separated from God for the sin we have never performed?

No guilt to remove. Baptism restores santifying graces and make us a member of God’s family.

Being a member of God family still being separated from God!? What does really baptism
restore? Nothing but false belief!

Faulty logic. Strawman.

It is not a faulty logic. Put yourself in their position having temptation to do a sin being a simple human being. How long would you resist against the sin? Have you ever done a simple sin in your short life?

What is “that”?

Hell is the condition that Adam and Eve were within. Similar to us when we are trying to resist a sin forever and Satan strangely is around having all his tools on our minds. How long a normal human being can stand this condition? Forever? Nah, The story of Adam and Eve is a faulty logic that God being all wise could not perform.

 

[davidv]

Doesn’t really matter my friend. We are apparently playing with words.

I am not playing with words. Are you?

Why we should be separated from God for the sin we have never performed?

For the same reason the children go hungry because their parents are put in prison for a crime. It is a natural consequence.

Being a member of God family still being separated from God!?

That is not what I wrote.

What does really baptism restore? Nothing but false belief!

False. This conclusion is based on a misinterpretation of what I wrote.

It is not a faulty logic. Put yourself in their position having temptation to do a sin being a simple human being. How long would you resist against the sin?

As long as I choose to.

Have you ever done a simple sin in your short life?

Relevance?

Hell is the condition that Adam and Eve were within.

Not according to Church teaching.

Similar to us when we are trying to resist a sin forever and Satan strangely is around having all his tools on our minds. How long a normal human being can stand this condition? Forever? Nah, The story of Adam and Eve is a faulty logic that God being all wise could not perform.

Ever hear of repentence and forgiveness?

 

[Bahman]

For the same reason the children go hungry because their parents are put in prison for a crime. It is a natural consequence.

I am afraid that your example fails to answer my question. God is is full of mercy for his children. Would you do what you claim that God is doing with us? We being human, take care of orphans and those needed support for their parents fault and you are saying that God which is love wouldn’t do that!?

That is not what I wrote.

That was what you said that a person become a member of God family once he/she is baptised.

False. This conclusion is based on a misinterpretation of what I wrote.

It is true. I have practice many religions and they are all full of wrong promises being completely different each claim that that religion is the only door to salvation! Have you tried to practice other religion or at least read the content of holy books to see what they say. Do X and you will be forgiven, do Y for the sake Z, etc…

As long as I choose to.

Nah. As long as you can not as long as you choose to. The dilemma in story of Adam and Eve is that they had to stay sinless forever having temptation of Satan present. Does that logically make sense. Would you do that with your children, asking them to don’t perform X allowing a person constantly seducing them??

Relevance?

The relevance? Simple. Once a human being does a sin in a short life he/she has the potential to surely does a sin in an eternal life. Don’t you see the problem? Why God put Adam and Eve in a sinful position, allowing Satan to have all his tools on their minds. They eventually would do the sin, being rejected from God presence, and their children suffer until the end of time! Don’t you see a little problem here? How a wise God would do that knowing that the sin would eventually be performed? Would you do that knowing that this situation leads to a disaster?

Not according to Church teaching.

It is hell condition. Please read the previous paragraph if you are not convinced. Satan was in Garden or not? That is enough to make the life like a hell.

Ever hear of repentence and forgiveness?

Yes. Then why God doesn’t forgive us and take us to Haven? We do forgive our children so simply, opening our arms wide open and accept them when they do something wrong to us. And we have to live in misery far from God for what reason? No? God is Love and our love is not comparable to Gods love, still we forgive our children and accept them in our home and God does’t.

 

[davidv]

I am afraid that your example fails to answer my question. God is is full of mercy for his children. Would you do what you claim that God is doing with us? We being human, take care of orphans and those needed support for their parents fault and you are saying that God which is love wouldn’t do that!?

That was what you said that a person become a member of God family once he/she is baptised.

It is true. I have practice many religions and they are all full of wrong promises being completely different each claim that that religion is the only door to salvation! Have you tried to practice other religion or at least read the content of holy books to see what they say. Do X and you will be forgiven, do Y for the sake Z, etc…

Nah. As long as you can not as long as you choose to. The dilemma in story of Adam and Eve is that they had to stay sinless forever having temptation of Satan present. Does that logically make sense. Would you do that with your children, asking them to don’t perform X allowing a person constantly seducing them??

The relevance? Simple. Once a human being does a sin in a short life he/she has the potential to surely does a sin in an eternal life. Don’t you see the problem? Why God put Adam and Eve in a sinful position, allowing Satan to have all his tools on their minds. They eventually would do the sin, being rejected from God presence, and their children suffer until the end of time! Don’t you see a little problem here? How a wise God would do that knowing that the sin would eventually be performed? Would you do that knowing that this situation leads to a disaster?

It is hell condition. Please read the previous paragraph if you are not convinced. Satan was in Garden or not? That is enough to make the life like a hell.

Yes. Then why God doesn’t forgive us and take us to Haven? We do forgive our children so simply, opening our arms wide open and accept them when they do something wrong to us. And we have to live in misery far from God for what reason? No? God is Love and our love is not comparable to Gods love, still we forgive our children and accept them in our home and God does’t.

None of this makes any sense with respect to the Catholic teaching. You are ranting against the wrong religion. Your strawman is burning brightly, but truth remains.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

How is Original Sin passed on from generation to generation? More specifically, How is Original Sin passed on to children of parents that are Baptized? If both parents are Baptized, then isn’t Original Sin removed from them? So how can Original Sin be passed on to their children?

Here’s my take, for what it’s worth.

Original sin is not passed on from Adam to us. The stain (effect) of original sin, however, is passed on. Our broken nature needs to be healed. That is the effect of baptism, to wipe away the stain of original sin and restore us to friendship with the Father. We are offered baptism first, and then the other sacraments that increase our friendship with the Father and fortify us in that friendship if we do not falter by our own free will.

As Adam brought suffering and death into the world, so Jesus wipes away that stain by bringing us to resurrection and eternal life.

 

[Bahman]

None of this makes any sense with respect to the Catholic teaching. You are ranting against the wrong religion. Your strawman is burning brightly, but truth remains.

The truth is that you don’t want to accept the truth. You and your teaching put God in lower place than a simple mother or father. Don’t you see the problem?

 

[davidv]

The truth is that you don’t want to accept the truth. You and your teaching put God in lower place than a simple mother or father. Don’t you see the problem?

I see the problem very clearly. It is irrational arguments against the Church and her teachings.