How often do you commit a mortal sin?

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Re: “No one, not even ourselves, can tell the level of culpability we have, only God knows.”

The above statement on the face of it is radically untrue. And as such to believe it would be to believe a most diabolical lie! We are all obliged by God in fact to come to a good understanding regarding good and evil and to learn, and desire, to choose to do the good.

Nowhere does the Church, or the Bible, teach us that only God can tell the level of culpability that we may or may not have in respect to any particular sins we commit. In fact the Church teaches the very opposite in that She teaches us, her children, how we “can tell the level of culpability we have,” in respect to all of our sins. And that we are indeed all held accountable individually as such, and particularity at the last Judgment.

Therefore, we all must find out what is the level of our own culpability when it comes to discerning our very own particular sins. In order that we can do our own parts to repent and adjust our own behaviors accordingly, albeit with God’s supernatural helps. Including also if and when it may become absolutely necessary for us to partake of the “Second Plank of Salvation” i.e., the Sacrament of Reconciliation. That is we are taught by our Holy Mother Church when it is exactly a case when we must partake of this particular sacrament in the sense of having it obligatorily administered to us by a priest as in doing so according its ancient Primary Usage.

(non-obligatory regular or frequent confession of sins that are not mortal sins is understood as being another type of usage of this sacrament altogether)

And the particular case and point of grave necessity is where, and whenever, If, we have actually become morally conscience, i.e., conscientiously convicted, of having actually committed an actual culpable Mortal Sin! This is the “Shipwreck”

Holy Mother Church knows the critical differences between what does constitute an actual Mortal sin as compared to a Venial sin. And as such She is abundantly clear too for the purpose of teaching us, her beloved children, exactly how we might, and, “can tell the level of culpability we have,” in respect to any and all of our particular sins.

Many of which we may be able to bring to mind specifically during our respective private self examinations of our own guilty consciences: and to be sure our Holy Mother Church does know and does teach what I have presented heretofore herein; and She does do so even far more abundantly than even I have ventured to proffer here briefly. And She is not God.

If one has been validly baptized he is in the state of grace until, if unfortunately, he actually falls from that blessed state and forfeits the gift of supernatural life by coming to an occasion, or many occasions, of committing real and actual Mortal Sin; which is, for anyone who would like to know; something that is very clearly identifiable according to the definitions and explanations regarding what constitute the various types of sin; which are just some of the superabundant divine teachings of the Catholic Church which have been preserved and handed down to us thereby, which have been restated over and over again, and again, by the many and various qualified catechist all down through the historic church age, etc: but then if one still does not want or can not find for themselves in these teachings how to discern for themselves the level of their own particular culpability; that is if they are an adult person at least; he or she would have to be in some significant manner a poor soul who is mentally incapable of using the human mind which they do have which generally is capable of discerning right from wrong and which in Christian baptism was even re-created in the image of God; as it were.

Perhaps such persons as they are here and there have become severely self deceive, or enslaved by someone else’s diabolic deceptions directly; that is to say perhaps for some reason they have become victimized by the philosophy of some culprit which utterly rejects or even deliberately twists and contradicts the abundantly clear teachings handed down to us by our Holy Mother Church: as in the case of the statement I quoted above at the beginning of this particular contribution to this conversation.

What we know for sure regarding our personal actual sins is exactly how it is that we can discern the level of our very own culpability regarding each. This informs our conscience as to when we may need to confess any specific sin or sins to a priest. And all this we can well know even perhaps long before our involving and employing the priest to do his duty on our behalf.

The bottom line here is that all we really obligatorily need from the priest in any specific case of having discerned privately that we have committed a particular Mortal Sin. Is for him to listen and to hear our confession in order for him, i.e., when we can tell and know the level of culpability that we have which informs our understanding as to exactly when a confession is obligatorily necessary; that is when we need a priest to validly administer to us on those particular occasions the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

God is Mercy!
 
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So are the common sins of sexual weakness, which manifest as the result of inordinate desire which are caused by the latent concupiscence which many of us do yet, or have, struggled against for much of our lives, especially while we were yet young: properly speaking classified theologically as being actual “Mortal Sins”
See, with all of that, you missed my point which was the final sentence, to wit:
i.e. “Therefore, when we may have committed a serious sin, the right course is to seek absolution the the Sacrament of Reconciliation”.
 
Re: “Therefore, when we may have committed a serious sin, the right course is to seek absolution the Sacrament of Reconciliation”.

So since only God can know the level of culpability in respect to all of our sins and we can not know this as the responder claimed earlier; then every sin that we do commit, i.e., whatever sins they may be, therefore, for all we know, “may” be actually sins that are so very serious; where the only right course would be to seek, pardon, absolution, and full remission of all our sins, via the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

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So since only God can know the level of culpability in respect to all of our sins.
My friend, you completely misunderstanding the post. You have it exactly 180 degrees out of phase. There is a good chance that you are not trying to understand.

“See, with all of that, you missed my point which was the final sentence, to wit:
i.e. ‘Therefore, when we may have committed a serious sin, the right course is to seek absolution the the Sacrament of Reconciliation.’”

The fact is that only God knows our heart, He knows even better that we ourselves.

Hopefully a discussion with their confessor will illuminate the culpability issue. In any case, it doesn’t hurt to confess even venial sins.
 
This line of reasoning is not good for those of us who suffer from scrupolosity.

There should be a relatively clear definition of what constitutes a mortal sin i.e grave matter sufficient reflection of the gravity of the act and consent of the will.
 
This line of reasoning is not good for those of us who suffer from scrupolosity.

There should be a relatively clear definition of what constitutes a mortal sin i.e grave matter sufficient reflection of the gravity of the act and consent of the will.
 
This line of reasoning is not good for those of us who suffer from scrupolosity.

There should be a relatively clear definition of what constitutes a mortal sin i.e grave matter sufficient reflection of the gravity of the act and consent of the will.
That is exactly correct, Grave matter, Full knowledge of the gravity of the act, and full consent of the will. However, habitualization or other factors may mitigate the fullness of consent and, hence, the culpability.

The best course is to take the sin to the Sacrament of Reconciliation and discuss it with your confessor or spiritual advisor.
 
Now I think this conversation is beginning to make some good and very reasonable progress toward the intent of my original posting. For which I received some rather profusely repeated push backs by way the quotings of the things I wrote, etc., but all for the greated good; I do believe.

So thank you very much backtocatholic for your recent post and also I thank my more agressive responder Ignatius (I like that spunky spirit from which you write) and your contributions as such received by way of your genorous responses to my original and subsequent postings in this regard. I originally responded my initial post only from the point of view of my perspective regarding the original question that I saw posted when I randomly came upon it here while surfing the web; How often do you commit a mortal sin?

It is indeed a particular subject matter that lends itself to potentially becoming quite controversial. Given all that is involved historically and contemporaneously; I do understand. 🙂

backtocatholic: “There should be a relatively clear definition of what constitutes a mortal sin i.e., grave matter sufficient reflection of the gravity of the act and consent of the will.”

Ignatius: “That is exactly correct, Grave matter, Full knowledge of the gravity of the act, and full consent of the will. However, habitualization or other factors -]may/-] (absolutely do effectively) mitigate the fullness of consent and, hence, the culpability.”

Conclusion: Hence, in any such case if such factors honestly do exit there would be no actual Mortal Sin objectivly that had been committed; and thus also no Mortal Sin that would be obligatorily in need therefore of being confessed in number and kind for receiving God’s absolution; subsequent to a good confession via a member of the vicarious priesthood.

That is despite the potential value, and caution advised, regarding discussing and or even confessing one’s occasional or habitual venial sins to a priest: who may be one’s Pastor and or serving as a Spiritual Guide.
 
I think the concept of mortal sin is very complex and I think it is important for people to take advice from a priest and not from discussions like this.

I hope my post didn’t mislead anyone. Mortal sin does exist and in today’s world is very common but I think it is better to speak to a priest about this rather than using the forum for this type of discussion.

In my case I suffer from scrupolosity and have been badly affected by some discussions like this. It is easy to state the 3 requirements for mortal sin but the application of the 3 requirements to real situations in this complex world is very difficult. A good priest will have a wealth of experience in this area.

Based on advice from the forum I have spoken to a priest about this today to give me some understanding of what mortal sin really is.
 
I think the concept of mortal sin is very complex and I think it is important for people to take advice from a priest and not from discussions like this.

I hope my post didn’t mislead anyone. Mortal sin does exist and in today’s world is very common but I think it is better to speak to a priest about this rather than using the forum for this type of discussion.

In my case I suffer from scrupolosity and have been badly affected by some discussions like this. It is easy to state the 3 requirements for mortal sin but the application of the 3 requirements to real situations in this complex world is very difficult. A good priest will have a wealth of experience in this area.

Based on advice from the forum I have spoken to a priest about this today to give me some understanding of what mortal sin really is.
 
Apologies for the double post.

One thing that I am only beginning to understand is the graces we receive from the sacrament that help us to conqour our sins. I believe that there is tremendous power in the sacrament.
 
Catechism of The Catholic Church 1861:

“Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.”
 
I all too often do commit mortal sins–at least once per day is average for me, but usually more. I often feel like I’m on tiptoe trying to avoid them.
 
The sin I’m struggling with now is that I often fail miserably at loving God with all my soul, heart, mind and strength. I confess it all the time. I asked on priest whether it was mortal or venial, and he said venial because I’m trying. Let me know what you think.
 
The sin I’m struggling with now is that I often fail miserably at loving God with all my soul, heart, mind and strength. I confess it all the time. I asked on priest whether it was mortal or venial, and he said venial because I’m trying. Let me know what you think.
To answer the OP: When I commit a mortal sin, I confess it. I confess often.
But robert, I am interested in this idea that if you are trying it negates the mortality of the sin. I have never heard that before. I am always trying not to sin. Or I don’t wish to to sin at the very least. I would think it rare that anyone is just, “well I’m not really interesting in TRYING to obey the first commandment…” Not a serious Catholic anyway…
Could you expand on this perhaps?
 
To answer the OP: When I commit a mortal sin, I confess it. I confess often.
But robert, I am interested in this idea that if you are trying it negates the mortality of the sin. I have never heard that before. I am always trying not to sin. Or I don’t wish to to sin at the very least. I would think it rare that anyone is just, “well I’m not really interesting in TRYING to obey the first commandment…” Not a serious Catholic anyway…
Could you expand on this perhaps?
That was the answer the priest gave to me. It’s a tough commandment to keep if you take the words of Christ literally here, which I do.
 
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