How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization

[KathleenGee]

What the JW’s and all Bible only American fundamentalists look at is just the Bible without its people…

Or the Bible without the documented witness of authentic Christianity for 2,000 years…which then makes me question how much of a Redeemer they truly believe in…Like the Catholic priests cannot have Christ’s mercy and forgiveness as well…so they are corrupt because they are Catholic priests…

And Who really didn’t do anything incarnated in His followers up to the time of the American fundamentalists…who many times, from what I see…can only draw on figures from the Old Testament…there are no Christian saints. No history, no documents…just this big 1500 year gap.

You do not see this kind of Christian belief, or lack of really, in Europe and elsewhere because their culture retains its roots but unfortunately has lost their faith.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Big difference between “playing favorites or endorsing a particular religion” vs.
telling the truth! Imagine schools having the guts to tell the truth about a whole lot of things.

A relative’s sister in law was a history teacher. My dad had a big discussion with her one day & could not even believe what she taught qualified as “history”

There is a massive abundance of vincible ignorance out there

Unfortunately an issue which continues to grow also.

 

[Whadyamean]

The other issue is the use of reason…women are human beings…same as men…so we have the same rights and values of men…without the use of science, one can come to this conclusion.

There are many means to finding the truth about things of life…When we are looking at the Church, we are looking at the means to help us bring Christ present…we look at the Bible…but we have to also remember what the Bible…and the Church in part also do…bring us into the life of faith that touches on all aspects of our life, and a profound but simple moral code to protect us from ourselves.

But to use Bible as a source for scientific truth is making it into something the Bible is not.

To see the Church as a great instrument in building Western Civilization, one is also having to recall one is witnessing a human social institution comprised of many people, on many different levels.

So to just look at the Church by the fallen, and refuse to recognize the good many more have done is on par by what we see in the secular world…its right to address abuse within the Catholic Church, but on the other hand its deliberate ignorance of the great good most do in the Church.

And as matters of faith, we cannot separate the deaths of the early martyrs and consider their deaths as in vain…their blood also lay down the foundation of the Church and its expansion.

All this because the Church is founded not on itself, on its own humanity, but on Jesus Christ.

IF you separate the movement and life of Christ from the Church, all you will see is fallen nature…

I feel great compassion in this matter. I just heard an interview with Glenn Close about a character she plays in a new film. She plays a woman in Ireland not too long ago, last century I believe, who had to pass as a man to survive. it reminded me of my collection of bio-bits about the few women who were known after their deaths to have conducted careers in math, science, and the arts in order to even have their work seen. I think of great societies such as Egypt where women were actually equal in every realm of public and private life, and then see the beating of a woman on the streets of Cairo (the “woman in the blue bra.”) I think of the repression of women even in our country and what a stunning waste of talent and ability we have sponsored as a race in the societies that were/are father/war oriented and still are in many ways. And I think 0f the American India who sketched out the role of women in his society: the respect they have,and their importance in group decision making, even in the past as to whether a war or raid was advisable. What we have lost in co-operative advancement is an unknown and unfelt tragedy of astonishing proportions.

 

[KathleenGee]

I still believe in a patriarchal society…but with the flourishing of the gift of women.

When men put women down, they are doing it back to themselves…it degrades their own being as well…and so we have poverty.

Look at 'little men behavior"…and you see a poor country.

 

[FabiusMaximus]

Well think of it this way… Public Schools are not suppose to promote religion. IF they actually included all of the Catholic church’s influence on Western culture and science… it would APPEAR that they were playing favorites or endorsing a particular religion. Therefore, they have to at the very least, down play the role of religion in history, or at the very WORSE, play up its negative impact and advocate secular science and social darwinism.

Either way, what you end up with is a very biased view of history.

No, that’s not true. Because public schools aren’t afraid to emphasize the supposed achievements of Islamic civilization or remind us of the stellar achievements of prominent Jews throughout history.

The reason the Catholic Church’s accomplishments are excluded is because the intention is to purposely denigrate it. I’ve been to plenty of public schools, and I even currently attend a public university, and each and every single time, aside a professor or two, the Catholic Church has consistently been made out to seem like the enemy of science and rational thought.

They simply do not want students to be proud of their Western heritage or have what they learn of the Catholic Church’s success prompt an interest in it. Because learning about the Church’s achievements might encourage them to inquire into Catholicism. Oh Lord perish the thought!

 

[Whadyamean]

No, that’s not true. Because public schools aren’t afraid to emphasize the supposed achievements of Islamic civilization or remind us of the stellar achievements of prominent Jews throughout history.

The reason the Catholic Church’s accomplishments are excluded is because the intention is to purposely denigrate it. I’ve been to plenty of public schools, and I even currently attend a public university, and each and every single time, aside a professor or two, the Catholic Church has consistently been made out to seem like the enemy of science and rational thought.

They simply do not want students to be proud of their Western heritage or have what they learn of the Catholic Church’s success prompt an interest in it. Because learning about the Church’s achievements might encourage them to inquire into Catholicism. Oh Lord perish the thought!

Hmmmm… This seems to contradict my experience of public school…