How to curtail judicial activism

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The U.S. Supreme Court, like the other two branches of government, is subject to checks and balances—specifically by the legislative and executive branches. Congress has the power under Article III of the Constitution to remove the appellate jurisdiction of the Court on whatever areas it wishes. The President has the power to refuse to enforce unconstitutional decisions of the Court. But these checks and balances are rarely used by the other two branches, particularly in recent decades. Still, the powers remain. Judicial decrees are not self-enforcing, but require the cooperation of the other branches. They can refuse this cooperation.

See this article for a further discussion of the matter.

How to curtail judicial activism.
 
I would like to see Congress override court rulings similar to overriding a presidential veto.

I would like to see the States override federal laws with a 2/3 or maybe 3/4 majority of the States voting to do so.

Term limits for judges and Congress would be a good thing in my opinion.
 
I would like to see Congress override court rulings similar to overriding a presidential veto.

I would like to see the States override federal laws with a 2/3 or maybe 3/4 majority of the States voting to do so.

Term limits for judges and Congress would be a good thing in my opinion.
So, SCOTUS makes a ruling upholding individual rights as intended by the founders- and you believe congress should be able to over-ride it? Ok- then we have no guaranteed rights.

Now, your second proposal is more interesting and in-line with what our founders put in place for amending the constitution.

But- if 2/3rds or 3/4s of the states are willing to over-ride a federal law-- why wouldn’t their representatives in congress simply repeal the law?
 
=oliver927;14200613]I would like to see Congress override court rulings similar to overriding a presidential veto.
I would like to see the States override federal laws with a 2/3 or maybe 3/4 majority of the States voting to do so.
while Congress cannot, states can do exactly this. They can pass a constitutional amendment. The states actually have the power to disband the federal government. It is the states that created to federal government, and they can uncreate it.
Term limits for judges and Congress would be a good thing in my opinion.
I disagree. I like my representative. He does a great job. I would oppose an amendment that takes away our choice as a district that way.
What really needs to be taken away is the power the central government has usurped over the last hundred years. The states can do that, even without a constitutional amendment.

Jon
 
while Congress cannot, states can do exactly this. They can pass a constitutional amendment. The states actually have the power to disband the federal government. It is the states that created to federal government, and they can uncreate it.

Jon
What you have described is not a means of curtailing judicial activism, but a “nuclear option” for disbanding the federal government, essentially ending the United States of America. They might reform as a new, less powerful national government, or they might not. They might just remain independent. There is no guarantee that each state will adopt anything equivalent to the current 2nd amendment, and of course the 2nd amendment will have no effect anymore because there is no longer a federal government to support it. I suppose then even the national defense would have to be disbanded and the various national guards of the individual states will have to protect each state individually. They might form mutual defense treaties, or they might not. I’m not sure if Alaska is all that interested in protecting the individual state of Massachusetts from attack. Then there is the national currency. I can see trade barriers between states. Everything shipped from out of state will cost much more due to state tariffs, as each state strives to protect jobs in its own state.

No, I don’t like the looks of your solution to judicial activism at all. I think the best way to curtail judicial activism is by the old-fashioned method gathering popular support and campaigning for candidates who will do what you want.
 
One person’s “judicial activism” to another may not be “judicial activism” at all but rather merely their interpretation of the law and Constitution.
 
What you have described is not a means of curtailing judicial activism, but a “nuclear option” for disbanding the federal government, essentially ending the United States of America. They might reform as a new, less powerful national government, or they might not. They might just remain independent. There is no guarantee that each state will adopt anything equivalent to the current 2nd amendment, and of course the 2nd amendment will have no effect anymore because there is no longer a federal government to support it. I suppose then even the national defense would have to be disbanded and the various national guards of the individual states will have to protect each state individually. They might form mutual defense treaties, or they might not. I’m not sure if Alaska is all that interested in protecting the individual state of Massachusetts from attack. Then there is the national currency. I can see trade barriers between states. Everything shipped from out of state will cost much more due to state tariffs, as each state strives to protect jobs in its own state.

No, I don’t like the looks of your solution to judicial activism at all. I think the best way to curtail judicial activism is by the old-fashioned method gathering popular support and campaigning for candidates who will do what you want.
I agree blowing up the great country of the United States and starting from scratch is probably not a good look.
 
One person’s “judicial activism” to another may not be “judicial activism” at all but rather merely their interpretation of the law and Constitution.
The original intent of the writers provides substantial interpretation of what they meant, and what the document means. Judicial activism attempts to reinterpret the document for a political end

Jon
 
What you have described is not a means of curtailing judicial activism, but a “nuclear option” for disbanding the federal government, essentially ending the United States of America. They might reform as a new, less powerful national government, or they might not. They might just remain independent. There is no guarantee that each state will adopt anything equivalent to the current 2nd amendment, and of course the 2nd amendment will have no effect anymore because there is no longer a federal government to support it. I suppose then even the national defense would have to be disbanded and the various national guards of the individual states will have to protect each state individually. They might form mutual defense treaties, or they might not. I’m not sure if Alaska is all that interested in protecting the individual state of Massachusetts from attack. Then there is the national currency. I can see trade barriers between states. Everything shipped from out of state will cost much more due to state tariffs, as each state strives to protect jobs in its own state.

No, I don’t like the looks of your solution to judicial activism at all. I think the best way to curtail judicial activism is by the old-fashioned method gathering popular support and campaigning for candidates who will do what you want.
I think the best way to end judicial activism is to hold justices to their oath. Justices such as Ginsburg and Breyer have been open about their belief that the constitution isn’t the standard they adhere to

Jon
 
I think the best way to end judicial activism is to hold justices to their oath. Justices such as Ginsburg and Breyer have been open about their belief that the constitution isn’t the standard they adhere to

Jon
That isn’t contrary to my advice. In fact the way you would “hold them to their oaths” is by the means I described - gather popular support and campaign for politicians who will hold them to their oaths.
 
The first thing one has to do is define judicial activism. The following is my definition.

Whenever the court rules in a manner I do not agree with.

P.S.
Do not forget that both sides of an issue can put forward a constitutional amendment. You could end up with something even worse if the other side gets an amendment passed.
 
The first thing one has to do is define judicial activism. The following is my definition.

Whenever the court rules in a manner I do not agree with.

P.S.
Do not forget that both sides of an issue can put forward a constitutional amendment. You could end up with something even worse if the other side gets an amendment passed.
I think the OP’s intended meaning is “whenever the American court rules based on political opinions rather than a reading of the Constitution”. Granted, the Bierce definition is a lot more practical, but …
 
From the linked article:

“Instead of judging presidential candidates through the lens of whom they’ll appoint to the Supreme Court, we should be thinking about whether a prospective president is willing to resist and refuse to enforce clearly unconstitutional decisions of the Court. That is perhaps the most fundamental presidential check on the judiciary, and the one that will have the most immediate effect.”

and this:

“If anyone gasps at such a notion or claims that it’s unheard of, he should check the historical record. Andrew Jackson refused to enforce the Court’s decision in Cherokee Nation v. Georgia on the Indian removal. Abraham Lincoln refused to follow Chief Justice Roger Taney’s order in Ex parte Merryman to end suspension of habeas corpus after the Civil War broke out. In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln also made clear that the Court’s decision in the Dred Scott case could not preclude the political branches of the government from going ahead and acting on slavery in the territories. In a memorable line, he said if it were otherwise “the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.””

The three branches are co-equal. The Court has overarching authority over the appellate courts. It does not have overarching authority over the Executive and the Legislature.
 
The first thing one has to do is define judicial activism. The following is my definition.

Whenever the court rules in a manner I do not agree with.

P.S.
Do not forget that both sides of an issue can put forward a constitutional amendment. You could end up with something even worse if the other side gets an amendment passed.
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So, SCOTUS makes a ruling upholding individual rights as intended by the founders- and you believe congress should be able to over-ride it? Ok- then we have no guaranteed rights.
Absolutely they should be able to. SCOTUS has been inventing “rights” and essentially writing or re writing law from the bench. Congress should be able to assert its legislative authority when necessary.
Now, your second proposal is more interesting and in-line with what our founders put in place for amending the constitution.

But- if 2/3rds or 3/4s of the states are willing to over-ride a federal law-- why wouldn’t their representatives in congress simply repeal the law?
Because, at least in my view, Senators are more interested in expanding the Federal Govt instead of representing the States. With Senators no longer representing the State Govts in the Federal Govt, maybe the State legislatures themselves need to step in and have a say.
 
I would like to see Congress override court rulings similar to overriding a presidential veto.
The Presidential veto is an expression of the idea of a shared responsibility in law-making. The legislature has the primary responsibility, the President has a veto that might override what they pass, and the legislature has a veto-override. This works because of two characteristics of this process: (1.) The process is asymmetrical in that passing a bill is very different from not passing a bill. The President can veto the legislature’s decision to pass a bill and make it not pass. But if the legislature votes down a bill in the first place, the President cannot veto their decision to vote it down and make it pass instead. In other words, he can stop an affirmative decision, but he cannot reverse a refusal. Similarly the legislature can stop the President’s active veto, but it cannot force him to veto when he doesn’t want to (if such a thing even made sense). So that is the asymmetry of the veto and override system. (2.) The President and the legislature are both elected offices with limited terms and similar degrees of dependence on their electorate.

Now let’s look at how court rulings are different in these two areas. (1.) Court rulings are inherently symmetrical. There is not necessarily an affirmative side to a decision. The court can decide to rule in either side of a case, or it can decline to rule at all. This is very different from the legislative process where the bill actively does something, and not passing the bill does nothing. So one wonders how a “legislative override” of a court decision would work in such a case. Could it force the decision in either direction? This would make it doubly as strong as an override of a Presidential veto, which can only force in one direction - the direction of doing nothing. Or could your proposed legislative override of a court decision convert a decision to decline to take up the case into a decision for one side or the other in the question? This would make it triple the strength of the analogous thing in the legislative process. So any sort of legislative override would not be very analogous to what we have in the law-making process.

(2.) In direct contrast to elected offices of President and legislator for limited terms, we have the USSC, which is an appointed position for life. The founding fathers established the courts very differently from the elected offices for a reason. They wanted the judges to be as free as possible from being influenced by the next election cycle. They wanted them to be independent, even of the President who appointed them. There is no mechanism (except for gross misconduct) for a President to remove a judge from office, even if he was the one who appointed that judge. It is all designed to distance the judge as much as possible from outside political and short-term pressures. The hope was that under such conditions, the judges are more likely to make decisions along the lines of what they truly believe is best for the good of the country. So having a legislative override of judicial decisions undermines all these intentions of the Founding Fathers. You may be hoping that today such a mechanism may allow a more enlightened legislature to do things like override Roe v. Wade. And maybe they would. But then if in a few years, a less enlightened legislature gets in power, you may not like the “legislative activism” that will result from you new provision of giving judicial powers to the legislature.
I would like to see the States override federal laws with a 2/3 or maybe 3/4 majority of the States voting to do so.
This essentially creates an alternate federal legislature out of the state legislatures. This essentially guts the power of the existing national legislature, and replaces it with a body that is not more responsive to the people than the body that you just displaced. The alternate federal legislature is elected on a state by state basis, just like the existing one. What’s the difference?
 
The president can refuse to enforce particular orders of the Court, just as Lincoln did. The U.S. Marshall service is a function of the Executive, not the Judicial, branch.

The Congress can remove the Court’s jurisdiction over any particular areas of law as it wishes.
 
The first thing one has to do is define judicial activism. The following is my definition.

Whenever the court rules in a manner I do not agree with.

P.S.
Do not forget that both sides of an issue can put forward a constitutional amendment. You could end up with something even worse if the other side gets an amendment passed.
I would define it as, "whenever the Court rules contrary to the original intent of the framers of the constitution, or of the original intent of the framers of an amendment. "

Jon
 
The president can refuse to enforce particular orders of the Court, just as Lincoln did. The U.S. Marshall service is a function of the Executive, not the Judicial, branch.

The Congress can remove the Court’s jurisdiction over any particular areas of law as it wishes.
I agree with the first part. But what provision of the constitution gives the Congress the power to limit the jurisdiction of the court in any way it wishes? If that were the case, the three branches of government would not be co-equal. The Congress would be in a position to completely dominate the court.
 
Absolutely they should be able to. SCOTUS has been inventing “rights” and essentially writing or re writing law from the bench. Congress should be able to assert its legislative authority when necessary.



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You render the document meaningless if you take away SCOTUS authority to declare laws unconstitutional.

It will take on the meaning of whatever congress happens to believe at any given moment in time. Which mean we will have no foundational rights.

The constitution is supposed to place limits on government power and affirm that individuals have rights which can’t be taken away-- not even by the majority. It is the only way to protect from the tyranny of the majority over foundational rights.

Now, I will agree that at times SCOTUS has ‘found’ rights that don’t exist in the document. Legally, I think the appropriate ruling on the gay marriage issue was to simply state- there ain’t nothing in the constitution about the federal government having the authority to define marriage- it’s up to the individual state.

Too many times SCOTUS has failed to invoke the 10th amendment,
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

To me, that’s where a lot of the ‘judicial activism’ has come from. Not recognizing that if the Constitution didn’t grant the authority, its a states rights issue. And that includes- a state doesn’t have the authority in an area either.
 
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