How to deal with husband still tied to ex wife

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newwife, may I ask (but you don’t have to respond if you don’t want to), how long were they married and how long have they been divorced?

They were married for 17 years, they’ve been divorced for almost 2, but had been separated and co-habitating more like brother and sister for a couple years prior to divorce date. I had been married 7 years, divorced for 4 when we met. Time goes by (in a marriage) when things are just “ok” and 2 people get along, even though they are not living Sacramentally. 17 years is a long time, and as they discussed getting divorced, I know what they each wanted was for the other to be happy. It’s an unusual thing, but I understood that too because for years my former marriage was not right but I did not want to give up, and all I hoped for was for my ex to be happy (me too). This all doesn’t explain why things are as they are now, if they can change, but they do have a long history with each other which is partly why I believe he wanted to help her if he could. Before he met me.
Now that you put it this way, 17 yrs is a long time, and 2 yrs of divorce is not long enough to get back on her feet. She’s entitled, by law, to have 8.5 yrs of help from him, unless they worked something out different - other than alimony.

My mom was left w/3 kids to support on her own w/o my dad’s help. She had to get herself back up right away, but it wasn’t easy. So, seeing it as in the mathematical matter, than I see why he’s still helping her.
 
Yes, he does have a legal obligation to her now that I would not (or could not) want him to break. Since they are amicable, however, they can talk about adjusting things and if it’s a win-win situation, then it’s good for everyone. She is open to that. And that is what can change, legally and morally.

Their situation is different from what you, Liberanosamalo, have gone through. I understand your position and thoughts based on your experiences, and you’re right no one knows what exactly wives do for each other, etc. There really cannot be a price put on the value of a homemaker, wife, mom, etc. However, in this case, she worked almost all the years of their marriage, they had no children and they made decisions together on their finances. Hubby is not a jaguar buying kind of guy 🙂 and she even admits she did not need to stay in that house. It was offered, she took the offer in lieu of moving, and money, and that is fine. UNLESS you intend to move on and get married to someone else and be open to a family and that kind of thing. Which is something my husband did not take into consideration at that point in time, because he wasn’t expecting it.

Thanks for your other suggestions too about having him pay the bills and go see a financial person and come up with a plan… good thoughts.

NW
 
Oh, an annulment has NOTHING to do with legal obligations. My ex is still very much bound by a financial obligation that no annulment decree can erase. And thank God. Otherwise he’d have TWO jaguars and FOUR motorcycles and I’d be on food stamps.

Maybe the house payment is in lieu of alimony. Since we cannot read his decree, it’s not our business to have an opinion. We do not know the details of the finances in the first marriage and what he may owe her in justice for her participation in the marriage. There is a difference between what is legal and what is justice. And maybe if the law prevented more men from walking away from women and leaving them high and dry, then things would be better.

First wives will probably always see this issue differently. Especially those of us who lost more than a decade of earning power while we catered to someone who didn’t keep his promises.
I am only here since the OP posted here and asked for opinions advice and prayers. Don’t get me wrong liberanosamalo. I understand he has his legal obligation to her JUST because of the amount of yrs they were married. Now that newwife clarified that, it makes more sense that he is still helping her out. I studied divorce while getting my major, so I know what’s expected of the husband. The way newwife spoke here, made me think they had been divorced for a long time and was already past the alimony yrs.

I am all in favor for the alimony. I wish my mom would’ve gotten it (and child support which she didn’t get either). It sure would’ve made things a lot easier on us growing up.
 
Yes, he does have a legal obligation to her now that I would not (or could not) want him to break. Since they are amicable, however, they can talk about adjusting things and if it’s a win-win situation, then it’s good for everyone. She is open to that. And that is what can change, legally and morally.

Their situation is different from what you, Liberanosamalo, have gone through. I understand your position and thoughts based on your experiences, and you’re right no one knows what exactly wives do for each other, etc. There really cannot be a price put on the value of a homemaker, wife, mom, etc. However, in this case, she worked almost all the years of their marriage, they had no children and they made decisions together on their finances. Hubby is not a jaguar buying kind of guy 🙂 and she even admits she did not need to stay in that house. It was offered, she took the offer in lieu of moving, and money, and that is fine. UNLESS you intend to move on and get married to someone else and be open to a family and that kind of thing. Which is something my husband did not take into consideration at that point in time, because he wasn’t expecting it.

Thanks for your other suggestions too about having him pay the bills and go see a financial person and come up with a plan… good thoughts.

NW
So, if she worked, then the alimony would be for less yrs than what I previously said. But still, I think his responsibility lies stronger toward you than to her. Yes, he wasn’t expecting to have you in the picture or the new baby coming, but that’s life. Sure, he didn’t think of it, but he has that now and in a way, he should really sit down and look at the finances so he can see where you’re coming from. Does he know how you feel about the finances? I’m not telling you to say to him you’re against him helping his ex out, but that he needs to see how this whole issue is causing you stress, and stress isn’t a good thing in your condition. The baby can feel your stress, remember that. Liberanosamalo made a good suggestion, why don’t you ask your husband to do the finances for a month? That could help him see how your financial situation really is.

My prayers are with you. I hope the situation between your husband and his ex settle and work out for the best for all.
 
It is good that he is a fair man but if your are the new wife who is pregnant and stressed out so much that it could affect your health and the health of the unborn child then I think that the husband needs to set his priorities straight and help make the pregnancy as least stressful as possible…

If he didn’t want for his wife to worry why is she in charge of the finances then? I don’t think this will be of help to the OP to see just how bad their finances are…

If the divorce with his first wife is as amicable as the OP states it was… then what is the problem with him speaking to his first wife about his present financial situation and coming to another kind of agreement that will help to alleviate the financial stress for his new family? This to me is the question that begs for an answer… And if he doesn’t wish to speak to his first wife then it would make me suspicious that he still may have an emotional attachment to her… If they are so friendly and amicable with each other then they can talk about anything…right?

I just don’t get why his first wife should be living all comfortable and meanwhile the OP is pregnant and all stressed out… I understand they had 17 years of marriage but come on… How long does the first wife need to get herself together??? 2 years is a long time… If I was in the OP position it would sadden me greatly that my husband is looking to keep his first wife comfortable and in the meantime I am pregnant and all stressed out.

I would seek Christian counselor out pronto that charges by scale and where the two of you can really get to the bottom of things… Something just doesn’t feel right to me in all this…

My prayers for you and your family… and excuse my nose butting into your private matters… Hope everything gets resolved…

God bless
 
Praying for you.

I read through this whole thread…really skimmed…

But I’m wondering if ex-wife would be willing to sell the house if your DH gave her his equity?

It might be worth looking into an apprasial, if it looks like ex-wife would benefit from selling the house…problem solved.
 
Let me just say this now before we all get too far into details and such… THANK ALL OF YOU for what you have written 🙂 I truly appreciate the thoughts and what you have said. I noticed one of you is a “prayer warrior” and that is something my counselor suggested I find… some prayer warriors who will pray for us and this situation. We do believe there is some spiritual warfare happening, especially now that we are “with child.” What does Satan hate most… families and children and women’s ability to bear children.

So if I don’t write more on this, please know I appreciate all of your thoughts, they are very sincere and based on all kinds of backgrounds and experiences. I don’t wish anyone to go through divorce, through having their hopes and dreams torn away from them, for whatever reason. However, God has a plan even if it’s sometimes hard to see. Sharing this with all of you has helped me immensely in just getting through the little picture part, and know there is a plan.

Please keep us in your prayers… the NW couple from CAF. We both read on this forum a lot and pray for people we read about too. I’m actually signed up as a different user for this because I wanted to remain anonymous and I know people here … I needed objective and caring, unbiased comments and that is what I found. Thank you all, and God bless you.

NW
 
To answer and clear up a couple things:

DJgang - that in fact is what is hopefully going to transpire. The property is farm land as well, and the idea is to sell the land to a friend, who will keep it as is for an investment, and for the profits/proceeds from that sale to go directly and only to her, to pay down the mortgage so she can refinance in her own name and afford the monthly payments. Win win win for everyone, if it goes through. We don’t have monthly payments and can save, and just start from scratch, she gets the house, friend gets land, and everyone is happy.

My initial reason for writing is because of the stress I’m feeling spiritually and emotionally until that happens, and for prayers that it will happen. Or, like someone else said, she may decide just to sell. And they can split the money. At this point, we don’t care about the equity in the house, just the monthly payment. She can have the house. He has a sacramental marriage and a baby on the way, which is something he has always wanted. She is happy as she is, no resentment toward him for “moving on.” I have no resentment to her for trying to do what is best for her.

She is agreeable to this change… it’s just that I’ve had to be the one to more or less push hubby into taking the steps to get the deal going. Which does upset me. He is very laid back, I’m more take charge.

Also, in our state, alimony is not required. This was a mutually agreed upon situation. They even shared the same lawyer. He is a good man, we just don’t see things the same way and it’s been difficult and frustrating that he cannot understand how I am feeling. I am praying for the grace from God to work through me and hubby so that we can connect. Your prayers are appreciated.

NW
 
Whatever the outcome, my prayers and best wishes are with you. Would you mind if I post on the prayer intentions forum a request for prayer for you and your family?
 
yessisan, I would not mind at all. Thank you for posting a request for prayers. That would be much appreciated. And thank you for your prayers too…

NW
 
I have red all the posts and will just offer this observation:

Newwife, Please take my observations in a friendly and I hope helpfull manner. I am praying for you and your family. I hope your new baby is healthy and happy, God Bless you, your husband and child!

Please note, I understand 1] Failed marriages and 2] Second marriages. I have first hand experience because my parents divorced and one re-married and I was myself divorced and remarried. My second marriage was to a man who was previously married and we both have children from our first marriages…Lots of experience here…many mistakes, too, I am sure…but also, some good experience…

You wrote about your [and new hubby’s] perception and dreams about your life [stay at home/work from home life with husband and family]. You discussed your desires and agreed with new hubby beofer marriage. You knew his obligations before marriage. You are in your 30’s and he is 40’s. Yet you never ran the numbers…real life budgeting…

When did you buy this home? Was it after your marriage? If it was before how were the mortgage payments made then? Your marriage was simple but still needed time to be paid off…you are expecting a child [congratulations]. Perhaps it would have been prudent to wait some time to begin a family…

Do you have more than one car? Are you making car payments on two vehicles…if so can you sell one vehicle? If it is paid for, can you drop collision insurance and maintain only liability?

I fear that your initial money worries can be improved if an agreement can be worked out with his first wife [but legal agreements are binding inspite of some posters who imply otherwise] but that financial difficulties could return. Anyone who emotionalizes their lifestyle and only pays lip service to real practical planning discuss their plans could have problems return.
Our mutually agreed upon lifestyle is for me to be a stay at home mom, and for me to work from home when I can and want to because I am set up to do that. My income is to be for “extras” like savings, trips, gas money for a weekend away, extra baby items, etc. We live simply. This was all talked about before we got married. Our mistake prior to getting married was not to run all our numbers ahead of time, but even if we did, there are and will always be unforeseen expenses that will need to be paid.
I worked a “real job” for the first 6 months of this year actually, supposedly to sock money away, but it was all eaten up by bills and our wedding (which was small and simple and inexpensive). The past few months that I’ve been home, I brought in the equivalent amount of money from stock sale and my tax refund that I made per month working where I was working. So I did contribute, and I’m currently contributing in a way that works with our lifestyle (just not our expenses).
Again, tis is the dream of your lifestyle, not the reality. Also we are barely past 7 months into the year, you have worked 6 months and been home, the past few months…not reality based hard numbers…
Part of my problem is the emotional part… we’re in our 30s and 40s, and this is the life that we talked about and that each of us wanted all our lives. If I had a full time job, for instance, with the thought that I would be helping us pay our bills, I would feel as though I’m working to pay his ex-wife’s mortgage.
You feel that you would be paying his ex-wife’s morgage but not your own…

I write this to help you focus on you and not the ex-wife…because while that financial obligation may go away, I see other issues including a lack of fiscal reality and responsibilty in the passages you posted…

Financial responsibilty begins with current obligations and income. Your financial planning must meet that reality, with a plan for the future os as you note the unexpected will always crop up and “the life you talked about” and the “lifestyle you mutually agreed upon” may always cause you stress to work out with various councilors [emotional, financial or other]. That your husband and you have issues around this where he sees you as “calling the shots” and you are having to see a therapist is not the best start for two people who have struggled with former marriages…

Again, you need to get real world, hard number budgeting. Financial problems are a prominant causeof marital stress that can end in divorce…your family needs both your committment to a lifestyle that you can afford
 
I have the unique perspective of being an “ex” and a “second” wife. I can easily see both sides. The difference between OP and I, is that I have kids with my first husband. I know he tells his new wife that I’m a blood-sucking leech. He says this in front of the kids. That’s ok, they’ve seen for themselves who the actual parent is in their lives.

On the flip side, my husband has two kids with his first wife. He’s always paid his child support, even while both kids were living with us. And jumps in to help her constantly with non-child stuff. It comes down to guilt for him. He feels guilty for leaving her. Even though they were BAD together. She has serious mental issues that I’ve only this year relised. I just thought she was evil. He had to get away.

Anyway… this doesn’t help you, OP. I just wanted you to see that there are two sides to the story. Perhaps your dh, like mine, has some lingering guilt. It doesn’t mean that either one of these men have anything to be guilty for, it’s just their human side. I guess we second wives should be happy that our husbands are such decent men.

Financually, is there any way you two can cut back until he works the old house issue out? Can you sell a second car that you may not need? Do you have cable TV that you can cancle? Get rid of cell phones? The little things that we think are nessasary, but maybe aren’t.

It might be worth checking into WIC if you are in the US. If your dh is making good money, though, they may not give it to you. It’s worth a try anyway. I hate to see anyone have to put groceries on credit cards. My dh had to do that when he was first divorced. When we got married four years later, we had to dig ourselves out of that debt.

Hang in there. Things will get better. We’ve been married 7 and 1/2years. DH finally made the ex see that if each of them had a child, neither one should pay child support. Dh has a great job now and financially we’re in a decent place. Hey I can live w/out a two car garage in an upscale neighborhood. I’m happy slumming it for a while… If only my ex would get caught up on his child support, life would be good.

I hope you guys can get things worked out.

Kim
 
Hey, what’s wrong with putting food on credit cards! 😃

I bet I’m still paying interest on chocolate chips we ate five years ago~!

Do what you have to do until you get caught up.
 
Hi,

I am glad some “exes” are writing and I understand your perspectives. I DO see the other side, I was there too. I even told my husband that, that I know exactly what his ex is going through, financially anyway, because I am an ex wife too from my first (attempted) marriage.

There is a big difference though - no kids, and property that would be worth enough for her make out very well enough on in order to live the same type of lifestyle she was living with him, and they each had jobs that were good and paid for their living expenses. It would be too much to get into all the details, but like I mentioned in an earlier post, I had heard her say she had been willing to sell and move to a new place. But they worked this other arrangement out instead.

This whole thing is not about her at all, or taking away anything she deserves. Law in our state requires a split of all assets in both parties’ names and that is what they could have done with the house and property; instead they made this other arrangement which has lingering effects on both, if either intends to “move on.” All I am looking for is for an agreeable re-arrangement so that we can move on with our lives, and she is open to that. My issue is with my husband taking responsibility NOW to actually make the changes she is expecting him to make and is ok with. In order to take care of the wife and child he is responsible for now.

For the record too: No, we don’t have any car payments - we both came to our marriage with vehicles that are older and had been paid off long ago. No, we don’t have cable nor do we even watch television. No, we don’t have any extra insurance on the vehicles that is not required by law or needed, and I’ve already reduced our insurance by changing plans and saving us $800/year. There isn’t anything we can logically whittle down on, unless we give up our cell phones and Internet, which we could do, but I don’t consider smart if we’re having a baby in a few months.

Believe me, we live simply. Although not as bare bones as we could. But I don’t feel I or we should be giving up things that are part of normal life - insurance, food, etc. if things can change with his ex wife’s situation. She’s open to it and amicable. He’s talked with her, he’s just slow to realize the urgency of our issues. That is what I was writing about in the first place.

So I do appreciate what everyone has written, and I don’t want to give the impression that I’m complaining about him not holding up his end of his deal with anyone, ex or whomever. It’s about him realizing where he is NOW and taking some steps to change things to take care of us. As I mentioned in an earlier post, she would be making out very well because if this re-arrangement goes through, as she would like it to, she gets to keep the house completely and refinance using all of the profits from the sale of some land, not split it with him, which was part of the original arrangement. The profits from the land sale would let her refinance so her mortgage would be so low, there is no way she could not afford it. This is a very generous and giving offer of my husband to her; it’s because he does not care so much about the money, although it would be nice, but because he is ok with just moving forward with us w/o the financial ties. I need that emotionally as well (because now she can still call him if she needs something repaired at the house since they still jointly own it). I wish he had done this before we got married, but he hadn’t thought of it (it was actually my suggestion).

All I am looking for is to move forward, soon, and for a little help or support in getting there.

God bless all of you who are dealing with exes and anything worse than what I am. I truly am lucky that they get along so well, there are no children in the mix (so hard for kids), and that I have a home to live in. I am not complaining about that. I just needed to write in for other’s thoughts and prayers and a little help to get by.

Thank you. NW.
 
Hello,

First of all, let me say I’m in counseling with a good orthodox Catholic therapist about this situation. Second, I need some place to “vent” other than my journal. I’m looking for either advice, or prayers, or any little nugget that can help me.

There are many facets to this issue but right now my need to write is based on the fact that we’re newly married, pregnant with our first child, Catholic, and although my husband has good job and is fully capable of providing for us, we are not making ends meet because of his civil obligation to his ex wife (annulled). For an indeterminate amount of time, he is paying the full mortgage payment on their former house where she lives still. It was part of their legal divorce agreement. He’s paying our mortgage too. We’ve only made it by so far because of gifts from family and friends from our wedding, tax return money and because I’ve sold some stock that I had before we got married.

Our mutually agreed upon lifestyle is for me to be a stay at home mom, and for me to work from home when I can and want to because I am set up to do that. My income is to be for “extras” like savings, trips, gas money for a weekend away, extra baby items, etc. We live simply. This was all talked about before we got married. Our mistake prior to getting married was not to run all our numbers ahead of time, but even if we did, there are and will always be unforeseen expenses that will need to be paid. My husband believes God will provide, and I was trying to have that faith as well. I did tell him I was concerned we wouldn’t be able to make it - the mortgage payment obligation is quite significant.

Although I’ve been put in charge of our finances (budgeting and paying the bills) and have done spreadsheets that show where our money is going each month and that shows a deficit each month, my husband still thinks everything “will work out.” There is a way to end the financial obligation to his ex wife, but he is in no hurry - and no worry - about moving it along. He says - it is what it is. He can’t change anything now. He’s built up a small amount of debt on credit card since he moved into his new home, and has done some remodeling and we have used our credit cards to get by in emergency situations. We don’t have any money in a savings account to draw from. And if this continues, we won’t. There’s nothing “extra” to put away.

Even if I can just have faith that everything will work out, neither of us wants to add to our credit card bills by charging things, but we’re going to have to pay for utilities and necessary things that way. If I can just get over that and accept that for this timeframe we will just add debt, I can’t feel good about even going for a hair cut, or planning out the baby’s room. We need to buy car seats and diapers and I have dreamed of enjoying my pregnancy by painting the room or getting even the minimal things babies need. Let alone, taking care of myself too. I feel guilty buying groceries - to buy the healthy things I should be eating. When I look at the cupboard for food, I think that if I eat it, it will be gone and we’ll have to buy more, and we don’t have money to spend on extra groceries, etc. This may sound overly dramatic, but it is what I think and feel.

Aside from whether this is “right or wrong”, and how we got into this situation in the first place, it is what it is now, and this is a cross I am to carry, and I need to make the best of what we’re dealing with now. I just have a hard time not feeling resentment and some anger or frustration toward my husband. This has not been a wonderful start to our marriage and our pregnancy. This is on my mind all the time and it causes me stress and to feel less close to my husband. Especially when he does not feel distress or concern about our financial situation or how I feel about it. It’s something that causes problems if I bring it up. He will not bring it up himself, so I have to, and when I do, he takes it as an attack on him and his decisions and what he feels are his obligations. He sees this whole situation as something I need to just deal with on my own, and if I have suggestions, ideas, he feels I’m “calling the shots.”

Should I just go on with life as I would want it to be? Do the things I feel I need to do (within reason) for myself, my pregnancy, for our family, even if it means using our credit card? Do I fast or sacrifice something and just focus on prayer, like, all the time? How do I find a balance? Peace in my mind and heart? I do have some tools and things I’m working on and am in the process of that. But I really need a place to vent a little and receive any thoughts or advice or even prayers from some good people.

Thank you.

NW
You don’t have to reveal this here, but I am just curious…why did he leave his wife?
 
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