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Another_Andrew
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But Jesus spoke Aramaic, so he wouldn’t have said “father.” 
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JimG
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I think he called his Father “Abba” which is what every Jewish child of the time would have called his father. He engaged in hyperbole to make a point about the Divine Father, but he didn’t really object to Jewish children calling their dads “abba.”But Jesus spoke Aramaic, so he wouldn’t have said “father.”
In any case, fathers are not mothers, and mothers are not fathers, men are not women, and women are not men.
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Tomdstone
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The rule before Vatican II was for women to wear headcovering in Church and that women could not be altar girls and that they could not dance during Mass. That rule has changed.
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Another_Andrew
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Most dancing is still not allowed, though it depends on culture.
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JimG
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All of which has nothing to do with the ontological difference between man and woman.
It is not a matter of changing a rule. Pope John Paul II in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis stated: “The Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly Ordination on women.”
If the Church has no authority to do it, it cannot be done.
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Tomdstone
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In Los Angeles, at Cardinal Mahony’s Mass, there was dancing and it was taped.
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Tomdstone
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But if this was not an infallible declaration, then it may not be something which is fixed in concrete. Similar to the case of Limbo, which was not infallibly defined.
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cena
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Yeah well there are clown masses too, just cause one bishop does it doesn’t make it okay
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Tomdstone
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Was anyone ever sanctioned for it?
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JimG
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I recall the issue of women priests coming up once during a retreat for adults some decades ago. The priest giving the talk said that one might hear arguments giving various viewpoints, but he said that it was rather pointless to spend much time discussing something that was never going to happen. This was long before Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. One can have opinions, start threads, write books, but ordination of women cannot happen.
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Randy_Carson
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I would be very interested to hear what evidence you have to support your position.
Christians commonly look to Sacred Scripture, then Tradition and then other historical evidence to support their beliefs.
Let’s start with scripture. What verses would you use to support the idea that Jesus established women as Apostles? (I say “Apostles”, because the priests of the NT were not established until later due to the growth of the Church.)
Thanks.
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