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Reuben_J
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I agree this mixed marriage is very complicated with intellectual reasoning being put into it.
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Francis
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Please can you clarify? how can deacons get married ? are you talking about the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church ,please correctly if am wrong
Please can you clarify? how can deacons get married ? are you talking about the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church ,please correctly if am wrong
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Francis
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Thanks,another clarification do they remain Deacons or can they really become Catholic Priest.
i have heard and read about other Anglicans or other Christian sects who are clergy become Catholic priest who are already married.
Thanks,another clarification do they remain Deacons or can they really become Catholic Priest.
i have heard and read about other Anglicans or other Christian sects who are clergy become Catholic priest who are already married.
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Reuben_J
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We have a brother in our group who was ordained deacon quite late in his life. His children are big already and he is still married to his wife. A faithful servant of God, he can do more to serve in the parish as a deacon, and so that’s how he is.
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whichwaytogo47
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Yes a Protestant Pastor who’s never been Catholic can become a Catholic priest with a dispensation from the Holy See I believe. But I don’t believe a permanent deacon can become a priest.i have heard and read about other Anglicans or other Christian sects who are clergy become Catholic priest who are already married.
That said, for me to become a Deacon, it’s definitely very hard. It’s very hard to explain why you’re having communion on the altar as someone who is ordained while you’re wife is not of the disposition to partake in communion. It also is hard to be a good example for other Catholics and is just not practical. My diocese said it’s possible provided she’s fully practicing her Christian faith.
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Francis
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Thanks,can he perform all the duties of a Deacons as in the Catholic Church ,like example Baptisms,assist during Holy Mass etc
Also what is permanent deacon ,may i say in this case ,he can do all the duties of a Deacon but can never be a Ordained Catholic Priest right?
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Thanks,can he perform all the duties of a Deacons as in the Catholic Church ,like example Baptisms,assist during Holy Mass etc
Also what is permanent deacon ,may i say in this case ,he can do all the duties of a Deacon but can never be a Ordained Catholic Priest right?
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whichwaytogo47
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I think everyone should have an intellectual understanding of their faith. And I think receiving the Holy Spirit as well as the gifts of the Holy Spirit are important. Most importantly, I think it’s important to lead a prayerful and repentant life. I think our faith formation as children is supposed to lead us to be practicing Catholics where we evangelize and bring people into the Church. We’re supposed to spend time with God and with others and we it’s not a bad idea to be welcoming and kind to people you don’t know or wouldn’t care to know. The Christian church is supposed to be a united church not a divided one. We are supposed to humble ourselves to allow the Holy Spirit to lead our lives as God did die on the cross as an atonement for our sins. We cannot do anything thru our works but the Holy Spirit can give us the grace to live sanctified lives and where we truly Love God & Love Neighbor. If you love me, you will keep my commandments. Since we sin, we can never do it perfectly, but the Holy Spirit can be our guide. We can do nothing of merit without the Holy Spirit giving us the grace. Persistence to the end and having a repentant heart & fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit.I agree this mixed marriage is very complicated with intellectual reasoning being put into it.
I worry sometimes though that people do receive the sacraments without truly understanding what they are receiving. I think all Christian churches should be more united (i.e. Protestants should appreciate the works of the Spirit and Catholics should appreciate truly helping a brother or sister walk in their faith).
I got way ahead of myself in terms of kids. My wife is okay in them taking CCD classes and children’s liturgy and is likely okay with them receiving the sacraments, though she sees them as having no value.
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Francis
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Thanks for the reply,was interested to know,such practices,i know a few ,who had the desire to become priest but couldn’t may be will suggest them.God Bless
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Reuben_J
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The deacon himself would be a good person to answer that.
As for our friend, he is in another state, serving of course as a deacon. As I understand it, he is a permanent deacon as he will not be elevated to a priest at anytime.
Yes, he functions as a deacon does as far as I know, including Baptism.
In our place, not all married men can be deacons as it also depends on the need of the parish.
As for our friend, he is in another state, serving of course as a deacon. As I understand it, he is a permanent deacon as he will not be elevated to a priest at anytime.
Yes, he functions as a deacon does as far as I know, including Baptism.
In our place, not all married men can be deacons as it also depends on the need of the parish.
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whichwaytogo47
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Agreed, the Deacon would be best to answer and to correct my misunderstandings. I know he can marry, perform baptisms, and do the homily. That said, I’m not sure if permanent deacon means permanent or if they’re special circumstances (such if the wife dies) if the Deacon can become a priest. I know the Deacon cannot remarry (unless there are special circumstances) because they must remain celibate.The deacon himself would be a good person to answer that.
In terms of my OP post, I was getting at that sometimes I think a DRE can be more focused on conformity and making sure everyone gets confirmed or everyone receives a sacrament that they truly don’t make sure that a person receives the proper catechism and proper religious teaching to truly be informed in the Catholic faith. That’s why we have many fall-away Catholics - because they weren’t properly catchecized. I can definitely say between ages 18 and 25 that I was in danger of becoming Protestant. I didn’t have a true understanding of my Catholic faith. It actually was the meeting of my wife that made me want to learn my Catholic faith more and when I learned more, I couldn’t get enough of it.
I wonder if receiving a sacrament timely is the most important thing (other than baptism which should be done immediately) or if a person a year later has the right disposition to receive the sacrament that it was worth waiting that year even though it means that year they were without the gifts that sacrament promises to deliver.
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Francis
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As said in Acts 16:31 They answered, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” by your good example your wife will change may be she need your prayers and also as God’s appointed time she will change her heart as said in Romans 11:30 Just as you were once disobedient to God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they have now been disobedient in order that, by the mercy shown to you, they too may now receive mercy. 32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.
1 Peter 3: 1-2,7- Wives, in the same way, accept the authority of your husbands,(Here we too can take this advice given to wives) so that, even if some of them do not obey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives’ conduct, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 7 Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex,since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life—so that nothing may hinder your prayers.God Bless
Luke 1:37 For nothing will be impossible with God.”
Quotes from Thérèse of Lisieux “The good God does not need years to accomplish His work of love in a soul; one ray from His heart can, in an instant, make His flower bloom for eternity.
1 Peter 3: 1-2,7- Wives, in the same way, accept the authority of your husbands,(Here we too can take this advice given to wives) so that, even if some of them do not obey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives’ conduct, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 7 Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex,since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life—so that nothing may hinder your prayers.God Bless
Luke 1:37 For nothing will be impossible with God.”
Quotes from Thérèse of Lisieux “The good God does not need years to accomplish His work of love in a soul; one ray from His heart can, in an instant, make His flower bloom for eternity.
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Thanks so much! I will also pray for my Agnostic father who is in the later stages of dementia. He’s had mental illness all his life so that might have played a role in his decision-making.As said in Acts 16:31 They answered, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” by your good example your wife will change may be she need your prayers and also as God’s appointed time she will change her heart as said in Romans 11:30 Just as you were once disobedient to God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they have now been disobedient in order that, by the mercy shown to you, they too may now receive mercy. 32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.
1 Peter 3: 1-2,7- Wives, in the same way, accept the authority of your husbands,(Here we too can take this advice given to wives) so that, even if some of them do not obey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives’ conduct, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 7 Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex,since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life—so that nothing may hinder your prayers.God Bless
I will keep the faith. I needed this so much!!! It’s hard to believe that my wife will convert. It’s easy to believe that I probably actually get in the way of that conversion (love it on EWTN - my wife would have become a Catholic sooner if I didn’t get in the way). Many hugs and God bless. Thanks for all the replies.
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Reuben_J
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According to my source, who is a priest friend, that a permanent deacon can be a priest upon the death of his wife if he has no further family obligation. The approval is the prerogative of his bishop.
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Francis
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Ok, Thanks for the clarifications, God Bless
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Angel_Bradford
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Then now is the time to discuss the children’s Catholic upbringing with your wife and priest so there is no problems when your children are born. The problem with raising your children in 2 faiths will be when the one teaches something that is in conflict with the other. They will learn at CCD about the Blessed Mother and her roll as the Mother of God; the other faith community is not going to teach that. They will learn at the Protestant church that their communion is symbolic; CCD will teach them that our Eucharist is body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. That’s just the 2 examples…there will be many, many more and that’s a lot for children to take in. Your obligation as their father will be to do every thing possible to raise them in the Catholic faith.
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OP, I’ve been in a “mixed” marriage for 15 years so if you have any questions fire away (I’m the Non-Catholic BTW and also non-denominational).
Most Sunday’s I attend Mass with my family, lately I don’t go as much because our 1 year old can’t sit still for more than 5 min and I spend all of Mass in the gathering space. Kind of takes the point out of going to church. My wife and kids attend my church when I go, no questions asked…so no big deal there.
One struggle is RE for the kids. The parish switched over to the Family Faith Formation program this year and that has put a lot of stress on my wife. Since I’m not Catholic she usually tries to take care of the monthly lessons and I’ll go to the parent class so our family at least has a face there.
The other struggle she may have is the exclusiveness of the Catholic church to NC’s. That’s one thing that we’ve struggle with. It’s tough to take our family to church when it seems like Dad isn’t really welcome there. It sounds like parishes may vary on that, so your experience may be different but where we’re at they really make it seem that NC’s aren’t welcome in/at the parish, but YMMV on that. My wife hasn’t necessarily been pleased with my treatment in the two local parishes. The one that my wife and kids are members at currently, actually wouldn’t perform our mixed marriage.
Like I said, if you have any other questions…I’ll take 'em.
Most Sunday’s I attend Mass with my family, lately I don’t go as much because our 1 year old can’t sit still for more than 5 min and I spend all of Mass in the gathering space. Kind of takes the point out of going to church. My wife and kids attend my church when I go, no questions asked…so no big deal there.
One struggle is RE for the kids. The parish switched over to the Family Faith Formation program this year and that has put a lot of stress on my wife. Since I’m not Catholic she usually tries to take care of the monthly lessons and I’ll go to the parent class so our family at least has a face there.
The other struggle she may have is the exclusiveness of the Catholic church to NC’s. That’s one thing that we’ve struggle with. It’s tough to take our family to church when it seems like Dad isn’t really welcome there. It sounds like parishes may vary on that, so your experience may be different but where we’re at they really make it seem that NC’s aren’t welcome in/at the parish, but YMMV on that. My wife hasn’t necessarily been pleased with my treatment in the two local parishes. The one that my wife and kids are members at currently, actually wouldn’t perform our mixed marriage.
Like I said, if you have any other questions…I’ll take 'em.
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Baptism, the Catholic way (or, the bible way)
Catholics are a detailed bunch, want to keep track of all of us … if your child was baptized in a Protestant church, you’ll want to get a record of that for your child … not sure how all the logistics and paperwork will go through, but, man, all i can think of is the paperwork nightmare!
I know, without a doubt, the Catholic church wishes you to baptize your child in the catholic church, so all formation could be provided for sacrament prep.
So, hope not to confuse or derail … but any catholic, dozens of years or decades later, can call up their parish where they got baptized and get the certified copy. Not only that, when you get confirmed, married, or any other recordable sacrament, the church sends back to the original parish and they update your records.
Example, lets say you got baptized as a kid, first communion in 1st grade, got confirmed in 5th grade, 20 years later, got married. Then, all of a sudden, you need your records for whatever … call up your original parish and they will have all of that info updated on your baptismal certificate!
Not sure why this reply is going so long, but maybe just to give praises to the Catholic church for keeping all of her flock in order, at least tagged, identified, and certified!
Just to be safe, i’d talk with the parish priest, just to make sure the whole baptism thing is valid and sacramental … in the protestant church, the baptism is valid, but the sacrament may be a bit lacking as some protestants don’t even think baptism is necessary for salvation, it’s just a show.
Good luck! Stay Catholic!
Catholics are a detailed bunch, want to keep track of all of us … if your child was baptized in a Protestant church, you’ll want to get a record of that for your child … not sure how all the logistics and paperwork will go through, but, man, all i can think of is the paperwork nightmare!
I know, without a doubt, the Catholic church wishes you to baptize your child in the catholic church, so all formation could be provided for sacrament prep.
So, hope not to confuse or derail … but any catholic, dozens of years or decades later, can call up their parish where they got baptized and get the certified copy. Not only that, when you get confirmed, married, or any other recordable sacrament, the church sends back to the original parish and they update your records.
Example, lets say you got baptized as a kid, first communion in 1st grade, got confirmed in 5th grade, 20 years later, got married. Then, all of a sudden, you need your records for whatever … call up your original parish and they will have all of that info updated on your baptismal certificate!
Not sure why this reply is going so long, but maybe just to give praises to the Catholic church for keeping all of her flock in order, at least tagged, identified, and certified!
Just to be safe, i’d talk with the parish priest, just to make sure the whole baptism thing is valid and sacramental … in the protestant church, the baptism is valid, but the sacrament may be a bit lacking as some protestants don’t even think baptism is necessary for salvation, it’s just a show.
Good luck! Stay Catholic!
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