"Humanity Alone?"

[PJM]

Hi friends,

All of Manking are created in the “image and likenes of God” [Gen. 1:26-27]

It is our minds, intellects and FREEWILL that come closest to this reality.

John.4: 23-24 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Our Minds, intellects and FREEWILL are connected to our Soul?

These are SPIRITUAL GIFTS that mimic God’s ?

Can Humanity alone LOVE?

WHY did God create us in this precise manner?

 

[Aelred_Minor]

Intellect and will are faculties of the soul. They are not distinct parts of us, but abilities our single souls (the substantial forms of our bodies) have. Intellectual ability is variable from person to person, but the freedom of the will is equal in all people, and so is likely the basis for human equality.

God created us this way because He wanted us to know, love, and serve Him. It is impossible to know God without an intellectual faculty and impossible to love and voluntarily serve Him without a will. The will is free rather than constrained by external [or internal?], [creaturely?] determination so that acts of love and service may really be our own choice. Only creatures with free will can love in this sense, and the only creatures we know of with free will are ourselves and the angels.

Inasmuch as our intellects and wills are good, existing things (perfections), they resemble God in a limited, finite way. We must keep in mind though that God has infinite perfection and complete simplicity. In God there is no real distinction between intellect and will, for example; it’s all simply God Himself.

 

[Sam_777]

and serve Him.

Serving Him by spreading His instructions and teaching to other humans so that they know Him.

Am I right on “serve” or I understand it wrongly?, because I understand that GOD does not need help from us to Himself…

 

[tonyrey]

We know they are spiritual beings who love God and there may well be other persons in this universe or another form of reality of which we have no inkling…

 

[DPMartin]

Hi friends,

All of Manking are created in the “image and likenes of God” [Gen. 1:26-27]

It is our minds, intellects and FREEWILL that come closest to this reality.

John.4: 23-24 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Our Minds, intellects and FREEWILL are connected to our Soul?

These are SPIRITUAL GIFTS that mimic God’s ?

Can Humanity alone LOVE?

WHY did God create us in this precise manner?

Is free will your will, free from the will of something else?

Jesus didn’t mimic God, He is the Presence of God, in human existence. The real deal. The Presence of God (Holy Spirit) doesn’t mimic itself, it is the Presence of God.

Humanity can love after anything, but the Love of God is of God.

 

[PJM]

=Aelred Minor;8198302]Intellect and will are faculties of the soul. They are not distinct parts of us, but abilities our single souls (the substantial forms of our bodies) have. Intellectual ability is variable from person to person, but the freedom of the will is equal in all people, and so is likely the basis for human equality.

God created us this way because He wanted us to know, love, and serve Him. It is impossible to know God without an intellectual faculty and impossible to love and voluntarily serve Him without a will. The will is free rather than constrained by external [or internal?], [creaturely?] determination so that acts of love and service may really be our own choice. Only creatures with free will can love in this sense, and the only creatures we know of with free will are ourselves and the angels.

Inasmuch as our intellects and wills are good, existing things (perfections), they resemble God in a limited, finite way. We must keep in mind though that God has infinite perfection and complete simplicity. In God there is no real distinction between intellect and will, for example; it’s all simply God Himself.

Of COURSE your RIGHT:thumbsup: BUT “FREEWILL” that is the key… but to what?

 

[Aelred_Minor]

Serving Him by spreading His instructions and teaching to other humans so that they know Him.

Am I right on “serve” or I understand it wrongly?, because I understand that GOD does not need help from us to Himself…

To serve God would mean to live for Him, to do what we can for Him within our own abilities, vocations, and states of life. For some this includes actively spreading God’s message, but not for all. For some the service they render to God may be that of prayer and ordinary labor, done for the sake of God.

God wants us to serve Him not because there is something inherently lacking to Him that He needs from us (He is entirely self-sufficient and happy on His own), but for our own good. We are creatures, so it is really best for us if we live our lives serving our good Creator. The opportunity and call to serve God is one of God’s gifts to us.

 

[PJM]

=DPMartin;8198713]Is free will your will, free from the will of something else?

Jesus didn’t mimic God, He is the Presence of God, in human existence. The real deal. The Presence of God (Holy Spirit) doesn’t mimic itself, it is the Presence of God.

Humanity can love after anything, but the Love of God is of God.

Hi,

I’s LOVE to discuss this with you; but dumb OLD me doesen’t understand your point. Please help an Old Timer out here,

God Bless,
Pat

 

[valentino]

Hi friends,

All of Manking are created in the “image and likenes of God” [Gen. 1:26-27]

It is our minds, intellects and FREEWILL that come closest to this reality.

John.4: 23-24 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Our Minds, intellects and FREEWILL are connected to our Soul?

These are SPIRITUAL GIFTS that mimic God’s ?

Can Humanity alone LOVE?

WHY did God create us in this precise manner?

I think some may say that our minds,ect.are our souls.Yes.that we can think in comparison to animals is a gift of God’s.We are special.And blessed above all creation.You mean can man as one creation love.Man as creation I believe does love God.Although there is a part of man(as a whole creation)that is indifferent and even hates God.

 

[TimothyH]

Hi friends,

All of Manking are created in the “image and likenes of God” [Gen. 1:26-27]

It is our minds, intellects and FREEWILL that come closest to this reality.

John.4: 23-24 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Our Minds, intellects and FREEWILL are connected to our Soul?

These are SPIRITUAL GIFTS that mimic God’s ?

Can Humanity alone LOVE?

WHY did God create us in this precise manner?

I would point you back to the Genesis 1:27 which you cited.

God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:27)

The divine image… male and female. It’s not my words but Gods. Of all the things to note about the first people, hair color, fat, short, tall, skinny, creativity, mind, intellect, reason and freewill inclusive, God tells us that they were man and woman, masculine and feminine, naked and without shame. The geneology of Adam, again, out of all thing things to mention, mentions male and female…

This is the record of the descendants of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God; he created them male and female. (Genesis 5:1-2)

Jesus goes there too…

He said in reply, "Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ (Matthew 19:4)

Not, “Have you not read that from the beginning the creator gave them freewill?” Our right to choose, to determine our own course and chart our own life, is part of American culture. It is at the center of who Americans are and what America is, and I’m not saying that is bad but I am saying that we focus on it too much. What I will come out and say, and this is my opinion, that I don’t think our freewill is the clearest refelction of the reality of God.

Now before anyone hits the reply button in haste, a man with far greater insight and intellect than I dedicated the first 129 general audiences of his papacy to this exact topic. His question was, what does it mean to be man made in the likeness of God? And the answers he came up with are part of the reason why he is a saint.

the body, and it alone, is capable of making visible what is invisible: the spiritual and the divine. It was created to transfer into the visible reality of the world, the mystery hidden since time immemorial in God, and thus to be a sign of it."

Some thing to think about as you google, “Theology of the Body”.

-Tim-

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Love your posts Pat! They draw me to sharpen my Faith!

I believe James hits the nail in the head:

[bibledrb]James 1:16-18[/bibledrb]

Even though we are created in His image, all good things come from our Lord. Not from us; therefore, we are not able to make good by ourselves unless good was given to us first by our Father. It is up to us, then, to make proper use of our gifts.

 

[PJM]

=valentino;8201571]I think some may say that our minds,ect.are our souls.Yes.that we can think in comparison to animals is a gift of God’s.We are special.And blessed above all creation.You mean can man as one creation love.Man as creation I believe does love God.Although there is a part of man(as a whole creation)that is indifferent and even hates God.

We agree that all humanity have been Blesses with a mind, intelect, FREEWILL, and Soul. Take anyone of these and qunatifiy it for us. Your “freewill” for example. How large is ti, what shape, color weight does it have? Can’t be done. WHY?

Because these are the attributes that God had in mind when we Created us in His IMAGE.
Gen.1:26-27

Mind, intellect, and Freewill are CONNECTED forever to our souls.

Souls are the source of “annimation for all life” In oder to “be alive” one must have a soul present. The gifts of mind, intellect and freewill are explaind in [Isaiah 43: 7,21] and take special note of the word “MIGHT”. Because God DESIRES it; BUT does nor command it.

It is we who choose our location for eternity; and these gifts permit us to freely choose evil or Good.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[DPMartin]

Hi,

I’s LOVE to discuss this with you; but dumb OLD me doesen’t understand your point. Please help an Old Timer out here,

God Bless,
Pat

Pat
thanks for the reply
Yea, I can understand that, anything beyond “K.I.S.S. theory” for me, is out of my range of comprehension.

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Is the free will you speak of, your free will? If so, then free from what? Could it be, some one else’s will?