Hypocrisy in the Pews

[totustuusmaria]

msproule:

totustuusmaria,

I find it interesting that your pastor hints that the standing preference (for receiving Holy Communion) of the U.S. Bishops is a mistake, yet he feels that the norm following Holy Communion should be standing.

Oh, no. It isn’t that he likes it, it’s just that that is hinted at in the girm and he’s really big on offering the mass according to the norms. He himself said he didn’t understand it and that he thought that this wasn’t what a people wracked with disbelief in the Eucharist needed.

I agree. People who don’t believe in the real presence don’t need more regulations about how we need to stand before the Eucharist. It is unfortunate that the American bishops voted to adopt this. Although I sometimes stand to receive Holy Communion, this is mostly because of the abolotion of the communion rail.

My opinion on communion is very simple: If we want faith in the Eucharist, we ought to reinstate the communion rail.

And when my pastor asked permission to install a communion rail? The diocesan liturgical commision said: no way.

There is a major difference between my pastor and I: he asked permission, I seek forgiveness. Of course he’s under obedience and I’m not…so…

 

[netmilsmom]

totustuusmaria:

And when my pastor asked permission to install a communion rail? The diocesan liturgical commision said: no way.

There is a major difference between my pastor and I: he asked permission, I seek forgiveness. Of course he’s under obedience and I’m not…so…

Do what we do. Use kneelers.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

totustuusmaria:

And when my pastor asked permission to install a communion rail? The diocesan liturgical commision said: no way.

There is a major difference between my pastor and I: he asked permission, I seek forgiveness. Of course he’s under obedience and I’m not…so…

Treading on thin ice! :tsktsk:

The very disobedient priests of my diocese also operate under the maxim, “It is easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.”

I have no solemn promise of obedience, but I am still bound to obey my bishop (and he, Rome) in the conduct of the liturgy. Anyone can disobey; concupiscence makes it pretty easy, really. It takes a saint to let his bishop/superior walk all over him (I’m thinking of St. Pio at the moment).

 

[willy]

GIRM

is exceedingly clear on this matter. Rather than comply with the instructions of the Holy See we are met with resistance and a volley of paperwork created this time at the behest of the “traditional” wing of the Church in the USA. They seem to think they know better than the Church of what is best./QUOTE]

i was never aware that we had to knell while recieving Holy Communion. I attend church every sunday and Holy Day of obligation here in at my church in Canada, and i have only once see someone kneel for communion ( it was a young alter boy) and it disturbs me to hear this now after so long and now knowing that there is a tremendous amount of people who disobey.

 

[Mom_of_5]

I would vote for EVERYONE (who can) kneeling to receive communion. Kneeling is showing reverence to Our Lord as is wearing a head covering for women. If drawing attention to oneself is a concern, then forbid anyone to wear a red coat, 3" heels etc. This is all totally ridiculous. I think the hypocrisy is in the people who go to Mass looking for ways other worshippers are doing it all wrong.

Love and Peace

Mom of 5

 

[BillyT92679]

I say we do what our local Ordinary instructs for us, and we offer up prayers and supplications for what we see as right, and let the Lord decide. I got into a fight with a priest about me kneeling years ago, and you know what, I was wrong. Like it or not, standing is the norm. I was being quite sanctimonious in my anger. I was just a ticked off 19 year old kid who didn’t get to do what I wanted, which was kneel. Most people don’t even know that in the East, just as reverential and pious as we Latins, standing is considered the height of respect. People will say, well that’s not our culture. Well, it was until really the Middle Ages. Churches didn’t even have pews until the Protestants really.

We live in a very litigious society and a very me-centered one. That’s why we have schisms on both the left and the right, because we cannot submit to legitimate authority; we cannot be told what is right or what is wrong. We have all the answers, not the priests or the bishops or the Sovereign Pontiff. Should we disagree? Perhaps. Should we question? Definitely. Should we dissent? No. Offer it up to the King of Kings. If we are truly wronged, think of the Beatitude about being ridiculed for His sake.

 

[AltarMan]

BillyT92679:

I say we do what our local Ordinary instructs for us, and we offer up prayers and supplications for what we see as right, and let the Lord decide. I got into a fight with a priest about me kneeling years ago, and you know what, I was wrong. Like it or not, standing is the norm. I was being quite sanctimonious in my anger. I was just a ticked off 19 year old kid who didn’t get to do what I wanted, which was kneel. Most people don’t even know that in the East, just as reverential and pious as we Latins, standing is considered the height of respect. People will say, well that’s not our culture. Well, it was until really the Middle Ages. Churches didn’t even have pews until the Protestants really.

We live in a very litigious society and a very me-centered one. That’s why we have schisms on both the left and the right, because we cannot submit to legitimate authority; we cannot be told what is right or what is wrong. We have all the answers, not the priests or the bishops or the Sovereign Pontiff. Should we disagree? Perhaps. Should we question? Definitely. Should we dissent? No. Offer it up to the King of Kings. If we are truly wronged, think of the Beatitude about being ridiculed for His sake.

Very well said. I attend a Byzantine/Ruthenian Catholic parish now and then and a handful of Tridentiners make asses out of themselves as they kneel at the Divine Liturgy on Sunday because THEY feel it is “better.”

I have to say I’m not always sure about following the local bishop. If the Church is rock-solid clear on something, and the bishop is clearly in dissent, I always opt to follow the Church…