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I Attend a large NO parish Mass. Although I love my parish, and my pastor is wonderful, I sometimes long for the quiet of a TLM Mass. We have TONS of kids…Mass is sometimes VERY noisey, to say the least.
Although I converted in 1986…well after the advent of Vatican II, and have really only known the NO Mass, I feel a tug toward the Traditional way of doing things. I have attended several TLM Masses, and love the reverence and the fact that one can kneel at an altar rail for Communion. That’s the way I was brought up, in the Methodist Church. I MISS the altar rail, and never felt that it was keeping me away from anything.
OTOH, I have to say that I am always moved to see the long lines of people coming forward for Communion. If there is no carpet, you can hear the footsteps, and of course you can always hear the constant “Body of Christ”…“Amen”…
But…Communion time is almost chaotic in our parish. We routinely use 22 plus EM’s, plus a priest and a deacon (if there is one present). It gets very crowded, and a little confusing up there!
Many of our EM’s do not dress appropriately for their ministry…capri pants, shorts (men), sometimes jeans. I think that if you are asked to sub, you should refuse if you are not properly dressed. You should always look your best when serving in any kind of ministry.
Although I converted in 1986…well after the advent of Vatican II, and have really only known the NO Mass, I feel a tug toward the Traditional way of doing things. I have attended several TLM Masses, and love the reverence and the fact that one can kneel at an altar rail for Communion. That’s the way I was brought up, in the Methodist Church. I MISS the altar rail, and never felt that it was keeping me away from anything.
OTOH, I have to say that I am always moved to see the long lines of people coming forward for Communion. If there is no carpet, you can hear the footsteps, and of course you can always hear the constant “Body of Christ”…“Amen”…
But…Communion time is almost chaotic in our parish. We routinely use 22 plus EM’s, plus a priest and a deacon (if there is one present). It gets very crowded, and a little confusing up there!
Many of our EM’s do not dress appropriately for their ministry…capri pants, shorts (men), sometimes jeans. I think that if you are asked to sub, you should refuse if you are not properly dressed. You should always look your best when serving in any kind of ministry.
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Kristopher
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Dear Catholic Heart:
Thank you for your post, I attend SSPX masses and therefore, I am regarded to be schismatic. The mass I receive is recognized as invalid–except on ones death bed.
I enjoy attending this mass. Latin existed as the universal language of the church by way of tradition; it became so as part of the canon by Saint Pope Pius V.
I believe that Archbishop Lefebvre is exonerated of excommunication. Pope John Paul II was simply wrong in Ecclesia Dei to instruct people against supporting SSPX. It is doubtful Archbishop Lefebvre incurred excommunication by way of disobedience either against Pope John Paul II, or some other authoritarian figure in Vatican, or both against Pope John Paul II and an authority in Vatican.
Are you familiar with Fr. Malachi Martin, author of The Windswept House? He was interviewed in his home by Barnard of EWTN, as an authority of the Vatican, an exorcist, held in high esteem by the late Pope John Paul II. He stated very clearly in the interview titled, The Tempter’s Hour, the Church is underground and it is SSPX that the role of these underground churches is to carry the tradition of a valid Sacrament of Communion.
You might visit The Holy See online: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4W.HTM
and read The Code of Canon Law available at the hyperlink “Site Map”. Go to 1323: “…The following are not subject to a penalty when they have violated a law or precept: 5/ a person who acted with due moderation against an unjust aggressor for the sake of legitimate self defense or defense of another;…”.
An entire society within the Catholic Church is created in the Church to defend the traditions of the Church against the Modernism and Communist American Revolution of the 1970’s, the Counter-Culture. Threats against the Church are stated in the following book: Sheen, Fulton. Life Is Worth Living. NY: McGraw, 1953. pages: 247-250
“…Read the editorials in newspapers from 1942 to 1945,…you will be amazed…how many supported Russia and Communism…one member of the State Department…could not speak Russian but…learned the Communist Internationale by heart, singing it at midnight before Lincoln’s memeorial statue in Washington…it was unsafe for anyone to say anything against Soviet Russia or Communism…I remember in preparation for an Easter broadcast writing into the text, “Poland was crucified by two thieves; the two thieves being the Nazis and the Soviets.” I received a telegram from one of my censors telling me that I would not be permitted to say that over the radio…In those days Communists were worming their way into schools, universities, government, and offices of columnists…, I was going into my calss at the Catholic University in Washington. A…man…met me at the door and said, ‘I have something very important to tell you.’…‘wait, and I will see you afterward.’…he said, ‘I am an escaped Russian.’…I called up the F.B.I. and said, ‘I have a Soviet agent who has just visited me, and this is his name. Will you look up his record.’…the F.B.I. called me up and said, ‘Yes, he is one of their most dangerous agents…your life could be in danger. Give us his address and telephone number, and we will take over.’”
Now tell me, this was the 1950’s: The threat according to the Late Bishop Fulton Sheen was directly life-threatening. They were infiltrating schools, universities and governments, and newspapers. In the 1970’s an archbishop forms SSPX. In the 1980’s he ordains four bishops against the Pope. If you read The Code of Canon Law 1323, 5/, it makes sense to assume Archbishop Lefebvre is exonerated of excommunication, and certainly members of SSPX only continue the traditions established by two saints, and by two popes: Pius V, and Pius X. You will note Saint Pope Pius X was expressly opposed to Modernism. You will note an explicit connection between Modernmism: Benjamin Creme, and Communism/Socialism: Margaret Sanger, and the United Nations: Lucis Trust and Alice Bailey.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre is exonerated of excommunication in my opinion, if in fact he ever incurred it, not only by the evidence existing during the course of his lifetime, but also by the simple fact stated by an online apologist at this website: The Sacrament of the Eucharist is validly given to those on their deathbed by properly ordained priests, and many SSPX priests were/are properly ordained, and therefore, as Marcel Lefebvre received a valid sacrament of Communion at his death–he can no longer be misconstrued as in a state of excommunication and therefore, SSPX is neither in schism, nor is its late leader, the great Archbishop.
The question Michelle Arnold answered is of course, “Can one receive Communion from a St. Pius X priest?” by Sandy T, and this was Michelle Arnold’s answer: “Ordinarily speaking, one should not receive Communion from an SSPX priest because the Eucharist is a sign of unity and a Catholic should avoid the appearance of unity with a schismatic society. However, if one is on his deathbed and does not have access to a Catholic priest, one may receive the last rites from any validly-ordained priest.”
Please attend SSPX. Read the facts and their sources about Archbishop Lefebvre; he witnessed firsthand the Protestant and Masonic priests who draughted Vat. II after the death of Pope John XXIII.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
Thank you for your post, I attend SSPX masses and therefore, I am regarded to be schismatic. The mass I receive is recognized as invalid–except on ones death bed.
I enjoy attending this mass. Latin existed as the universal language of the church by way of tradition; it became so as part of the canon by Saint Pope Pius V.
I believe that Archbishop Lefebvre is exonerated of excommunication. Pope John Paul II was simply wrong in Ecclesia Dei to instruct people against supporting SSPX. It is doubtful Archbishop Lefebvre incurred excommunication by way of disobedience either against Pope John Paul II, or some other authoritarian figure in Vatican, or both against Pope John Paul II and an authority in Vatican.
Are you familiar with Fr. Malachi Martin, author of The Windswept House? He was interviewed in his home by Barnard of EWTN, as an authority of the Vatican, an exorcist, held in high esteem by the late Pope John Paul II. He stated very clearly in the interview titled, The Tempter’s Hour, the Church is underground and it is SSPX that the role of these underground churches is to carry the tradition of a valid Sacrament of Communion.
You might visit The Holy See online: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4W.HTM
and read The Code of Canon Law available at the hyperlink “Site Map”. Go to 1323: “…The following are not subject to a penalty when they have violated a law or precept: 5/ a person who acted with due moderation against an unjust aggressor for the sake of legitimate self defense or defense of another;…”.
An entire society within the Catholic Church is created in the Church to defend the traditions of the Church against the Modernism and Communist American Revolution of the 1970’s, the Counter-Culture. Threats against the Church are stated in the following book: Sheen, Fulton. Life Is Worth Living. NY: McGraw, 1953. pages: 247-250
“…Read the editorials in newspapers from 1942 to 1945,…you will be amazed…how many supported Russia and Communism…one member of the State Department…could not speak Russian but…learned the Communist Internationale by heart, singing it at midnight before Lincoln’s memeorial statue in Washington…it was unsafe for anyone to say anything against Soviet Russia or Communism…I remember in preparation for an Easter broadcast writing into the text, “Poland was crucified by two thieves; the two thieves being the Nazis and the Soviets.” I received a telegram from one of my censors telling me that I would not be permitted to say that over the radio…In those days Communists were worming their way into schools, universities, government, and offices of columnists…, I was going into my calss at the Catholic University in Washington. A…man…met me at the door and said, ‘I have something very important to tell you.’…‘wait, and I will see you afterward.’…he said, ‘I am an escaped Russian.’…I called up the F.B.I. and said, ‘I have a Soviet agent who has just visited me, and this is his name. Will you look up his record.’…the F.B.I. called me up and said, ‘Yes, he is one of their most dangerous agents…your life could be in danger. Give us his address and telephone number, and we will take over.’”
Now tell me, this was the 1950’s: The threat according to the Late Bishop Fulton Sheen was directly life-threatening. They were infiltrating schools, universities and governments, and newspapers. In the 1970’s an archbishop forms SSPX. In the 1980’s he ordains four bishops against the Pope. If you read The Code of Canon Law 1323, 5/, it makes sense to assume Archbishop Lefebvre is exonerated of excommunication, and certainly members of SSPX only continue the traditions established by two saints, and by two popes: Pius V, and Pius X. You will note Saint Pope Pius X was expressly opposed to Modernism. You will note an explicit connection between Modernmism: Benjamin Creme, and Communism/Socialism: Margaret Sanger, and the United Nations: Lucis Trust and Alice Bailey.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre is exonerated of excommunication in my opinion, if in fact he ever incurred it, not only by the evidence existing during the course of his lifetime, but also by the simple fact stated by an online apologist at this website: The Sacrament of the Eucharist is validly given to those on their deathbed by properly ordained priests, and many SSPX priests were/are properly ordained, and therefore, as Marcel Lefebvre received a valid sacrament of Communion at his death–he can no longer be misconstrued as in a state of excommunication and therefore, SSPX is neither in schism, nor is its late leader, the great Archbishop.
The question Michelle Arnold answered is of course, “Can one receive Communion from a St. Pius X priest?” by Sandy T, and this was Michelle Arnold’s answer: “Ordinarily speaking, one should not receive Communion from an SSPX priest because the Eucharist is a sign of unity and a Catholic should avoid the appearance of unity with a schismatic society. However, if one is on his deathbed and does not have access to a Catholic priest, one may receive the last rites from any validly-ordained priest.”
Please attend SSPX. Read the facts and their sources about Archbishop Lefebvre; he witnessed firsthand the Protestant and Masonic priests who draughted Vat. II after the death of Pope John XXIII.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
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HagiaSophia
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Back so soon?
That may well be you opinion, it does not however automatically follow that the statement is factual. Since you are not invested with the authority to declare nor lift such edicts, it remains your opinion.
The CDF and the Pope have full authority in these matters. They chose to exercise it. It is not a matter of opinon, they have issued the declaration. Those who do not wish to accept it simply repeat their initial error, they refuse to acknowledge or submit to the authority of the pope and the Church. Binding and loosing is serious business, Christ therefore was quite clear about who had the authority to do either.
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You are not schismatic. Only clergy can be schismatic. The mass you attend is perfectly valid, although it is illicit. (the magisterium makes the laws, they say it’s illicit- therefore it’s illicit- no need to argue about that).
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Kristopher
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Dear m134e5:
I see that the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was correct to ordain four priests, as bishops. The point to argue is The Code of Canon Law 1323…5/ in favor of the late Archbishop; whom I suspect died in a state of grace–forgiven through the Sacrament of Communion.
Most sincerely,
Kristopher
P.S. It was nice knowing all of you, goodbye!
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