"I believe there is God" or "There IS a God"

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I heard a sermon recently where we were told that our faith isn’t an opinion, its something we have to KNOW to be true. So we don’t go around saying “In my opinion, there is a God” we have to say “There IS a God” and “Jesus IS the Son of God”

But I rather say that this is my own personal belief. “I believe” that Jesus is the son of God, or in my opinion. I think its more respectful to people who have other beliefs.

Does this mean I’m slipping into relativism? Which way do you prefer to say it?
 
Depends.

You have to have a certain conviction in the truth of your beliefs, otherwise why believe it at all? So in this case, you do say that there IS a God and that Jesus IS the Son of God.

When you are speaking with others, particularly those not of the faith, it would sometimes behoove you to take the more diplomatic route, so as not to drive them away from the faith.
 
Depends.

You have to have a certain conviction in the truth of your beliefs, otherwise why believe it at all? So in this case, you do say that there IS a God and that Jesus IS the Son of God.

When you are speaking with others, particularly those not of the faith, it would sometimes behoove you to take the more diplomatic route, so as not to drive them away from the faith.
Well, no matter how strong my own conviction are about God the Father and Jesus, I realize I don’t have any solid proof to offer someone else. That’s why I prefer to say its my own opinion. Well, I think maybe you can prove that a god exists, but not that Jesus is His son.
 
Faith gives us objective knowledge. Opinion, by definition, is subjective.

Opinion may, in fact, turn out to be objectively true, but that is not what is being asserted when one says "It is my opinion that … ". Such a statement asserts that the person holds some degree of probability that the object of his opinion is true, though without certainty.

In our culture where objective truth is called into question, philosophically, there is the constant temptation to phrase everything as "It is my opinion that … " rather than to say “It is the case that …” This is the result of philosophical skepticism, which implies that there is no real certainty to our knowledge; hence, everything becomes subjective opinion.

There are two modes of acquiring knowledge: faith and reason. Reason, of course, uses observation and the rules of logic to discover truth. Faith, which can be either natural faith or supernatural faith, accepts as true what someone tells us. We first put our faith in some person, usually because of some authority that he demonstrates, and secondly we accept as true what that person says.

We use our own reason to discover truth every day. But most of what we actually know, as individual persons, comes to us through natural faith. That is, we believe our parents, our teachers, our professors, the books we read, because of their authority. No one alive today has seen George Washington or knows firsthand that he was the first president, but we believe it on natural faith because there is so much evidence: which means, there is so much testimony. We believe it because someone said it was true, and we trust them. Or, at the least, we conclude that it is true, using our own reason, because of the many reliable witnesses.

With supernatural faith, we also have access to objective truth, just as we do through natural faith, except that supernatural faith gives us even more certainty–because the authority in whom we put our trust is God, who can neither deceive nor be deceived.

And so, when we say “I believe…” in the context of supernatural faith, we are not saying “It is my opinion that …”. Rather, we are asserting that the object of our belief is objectively true. To say “It is my opinion that God exists” is to reduce the proposition to subjective opinion, and hence it implies that there is no objective certainty. I would think that this is equivalent to saying, “I like chocolate.” This is, indeed, subjectivism.

One could say, though, “It is my opinion that it is true that God exists”, which is a little more complicated to analyze. I think that this would imply that you do believe that the proposition is objectively true, only that you do not want to force this conclusion on someone who has not had the same opportunity to come to faith as you have. Rather, it would respect the process of coming to faith, while at the same time asserting that what you believe isn’t merely subjective, but is objectively true. I hope this makes sense. I agree that it is important to be diplomatic and charitable when speaking with unbelievers, but it is also important to be precise in our language.

Yes, other people may have other beliefs, but if we believe that God exists, for example, then someone who “believes” that God does not exist is, objectively speaking, in the wrong. We are called to respect the person who has the belief, though not necessarily the belief itself (this is what I believe that John Paul II was doing when he kissed the Koran, for example: he wasn’t implying that the Koran and Islam are true, but rather, he was showing respect for the people who hold their sincerely held beliefs).

Anyway, in any given situation, I would pray to the Holy Spirit to find the right words. I might say, “I believe that God exists. I think it is true. I respect that you do not believe it, but I hope that you would consider the following evidence and arguments in favor of God’s existence…etc.”

I don’t know if any of this helps, or if I simply muddled the water! God bless…
 
The Creeds begin with “I believe.” It’s okay to say “I believe” rather than “I know.”

Claiming a level of knowledge our present condition cannot warrant is fundamentalism.
 
The Creeds begin with “I believe.” It’s okay to say “I believe” rather than “I know.”

Claiming a level of knowledge our present condition cannot warrant is fundamentalism.
Or mere presumptuous preppyness.😉

But, it just so happens that the vicisitudes of fate have led me, not to believe, but to KNOW that there is a God. I’d gush on, but that was the only question proposed. Oh, what the heck? I go further and say, I KNOW that there is a GOOD God! Sadly, it was a ‘you had to be there’ kinda thing.🤷

And though it tends to get quite thick in any philosophy department, 'All signs point to Yes."
 
Ultimately it wouldn’t matter which one you would pick, as they amount to the same response to Truth by the gift of faith. Personally, I chose ‘There IS a God’ because it is more affirmative, and more positive and definite. It is a similar response to ‘live’ as opposed to ‘not dying’. It is an affirmative response, and an act of faith in itself, rather than words simply to be professed: it is a movement of the heart and soul of the person to say that there is a God, and I believe in Him.
 
We believe that God exists, because the notion that there is a God is objectively true. It is not made true because we believe it to be so.

So if one says, “In my opinion, there is a God (god)”, yes, that is slipping into relativism. If another says, “In my opinion, there is no god (God)”, the two arguments have equal merit, as everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether or not it represents objective reality.

When one says, “There is a God”, one is expressing the truth of the objective reality.
 
In my personal experience, I went through a transition from believing “in concept”, to slowly becoming convinced, and eventually becoming absolutely sure. So for a time I believed, but I wasn’t certain. I’m well past that hurdle now. I have experienced Christ personally and felt God’s glory.

What I’m saying is, there is a difference between believing and knowing.

No doubt that the current climate frowns upon speaking with such certainty, and it makes some uncomfortable. But it makes for interesting conversation!
 
This is what the Jesuits taught me in high school.

“God does not exist because I believe in Him.
Suffice it to say I believe in Him because He exists!”
 
I see no essential difference between the two propositions, from a Catholic standpoint.

As an earlier poster pointed out, the Creeds start with “Credo…”, “I believe…”

This “belief” – in this context – is the acceptance of Truth. Despite similar words, “I believe there is God” is not the same as “I believe the Cubs will win the Series” or “I believe there is intelligent life out in space”. The latter two allow for some mistake, some possibility of being wrong.

The first does not.

I would be more easily convinced that China didn’t exist than that God didn’t.

Conflating the Creed’s “I believe…” with “It is my opinion that…” is one of the arguments that Rastafarianism uses…that the word “believe” and its attendant source “faith” are somehow less than “know” and “surety”. They are not.

My “belief” in God’s existence is of such a level that no words, “belief”, “sure”, “positive”, etc actually come close to describing it accurately.

To me, God exists. Pretty much every other proposition is debatable.
 
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