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If you want evidence, then my life should suffice. (But it won’t, because you want me to quote an invasive study that doesn’t exist that maps, mathematically, masturbation to tangible negative outcomes, like rape and molestation, with no margin of error.) But let me explain my life. I began masturbating when I was 11. I continued doing so, daily, for 15 years. I was addicted, no doubt about it, but it wasn’t until this past March that I was willing to admit it.

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Cairone, first of all let me say that I applaud you for being so open about your life. HOwever, I can say that masterbation and forcing yourself on a woman have nothing to do with the other. You are just a jerk who doesn’t know how to control himself. I would have quit dating you in a heart beat. My ex husband masterbated (we were protestant) and he was never sexually agressive. He was never sexually selfish either. I know this is the same for a lot of other people too.

You basically said that masterbating ruins relationships and makes guys jerks but that is very very far from the truth. It’s apples and oranges.
 
As someone who is struggling with the same sin, let me add this:

Masturbation is very common, to the point of being normal. Most males I know struggle with it, and I went to a Catholic high school. That doesn’t make it any less of a sin (italicized for the benefit of people who might misunderstand me).

I think that’s the way that we have to look at it in order to overcome it, though. One of the things that makes confession difficult is that it is very embarrassing, but keeping how common it is in mind makes it easier to confess and ask a priest for help.

One of the worst things my school did when teaching us this was emphasizing the abnormality of masturbation. That isn’t a good thing; when teen males are catechized on it, it should make it clear how common it is, but also emphasize that it is a battle that all teenage boys are going to have to fight. By focusing on its abnormality, we make it so embarrassing that kids try and pull an Angela’s Ashes and look for the deaf priest, if they confess it at all.

It is a struggle, but it is a struggle that nearly every Catholic teenager has to face. With the grace of God, it is winnable. What would make it a lot more winnable is if the lens that we taught the issue through changed from “Masturbation is abnormal!” into “Struggling with masturbation is something every teenager will deal with, and these are ways to resist the temptation. You shouldn’t expect to go through the teenage years perfect in this regards, but it is a mortal sin, and you do need to confess it, and you will need help in overcoming.”
 
i need help. i am in my 20’s and i am struggleing with masturbation. i have done it since i was 14 but became catholic a few years ago and been trying to stop. i feel so guilty. i have asked God to forgive me and i will go to confession on saturday. but i feel like i shouldnt leave the house. i have a big ged math test tomorrow and i feel bad going because i masturbated. and i need to look for a job but feel to guilty. i fell like i need to lock myself in the house until saturday any advice?
Been there. I started at age 2. I had a full blown sexual addiction by age 5. With three brothers in the house, at any given time one of them had porn - so my porn addiction started at age 10. When the internet arrived when I was about 20, I was nearly destroyed. I kept my addiction so hidden from everyone - not even my husband knew about it - and I was too ashamed to go to Confession. I had been to confession twice in my life - once at 8 and again at 16, and both times they were invalid because I held back on confessing this sin. There had been multiple times that I’d tried to quit - I really thought I never would be able to.

About this time last year I had an illumination of conscience after seeing a video, “23 Minutes in Hell.” I knew where I was headed and that I had to change or I was lost. I eventually found the Saint Pio Center for Deliverance Counseling, and followed their Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance.

When I got to step 3, Confession, I was freed from my addiction, and have not fallen since. That is not to say I haven’t been tempted. It is SO important to stop the temptation at the thought. If it persists more than one second after trying to dismiss the thought, I immediately say a Hail Mary. Overcoming the temptation gets easier each time. Eventually those temptations will become nothing more than fleeting thoughts that are easily dismissed.

I will keep you in my prayers that you will be freed as I was.
 
At which point, you’ve essentially claimed there is nothing anyone can say to change your mind. But maybe you’ll help us out and tell us which journals you’ll accept, and what counts as “cold hard evidence”.

If you want evidence, then my life should suffice. (But it won’t, because you want me to quote an invasive study that doesn’t exist that maps, mathematically, masturbation to tangible negative outcomes, like rape and molestation, with no margin of error.) But let me explain my life. I began masturbating when I was 11. I continued doing so, daily, for 15 years. I was addicted, no doubt about it, but it wasn’t until this past March that I was willing to admit it.

Every relationship I entered, I started immediately into sexual contact (groping, heaving kissing, petting), and even into sex, even after just a short period of dating. To me, because I had trained myself to believe that the important aspect was the pleasure (and masturbation is only, can only, will ever only be about the pleasure), taking pleasure from these relationships was what I was after. And every relationship suffered because of it. I pressured my wife into having sex shortly after we started dating, well before we were engaged, well before we were married. And our relationship suffered because of it. She pleaded with me to stop having sex, because she claimed she was feeling used.

And she was being used. Because once you accept that seeking pleasure from sexual acts is okay, every sexual act becomes masturbation, and it is very, very, very difficult to “fix” sex so that it is the loving, giving act. Keep this in mind: every time we had sex, I was just masturbating, using her as my tool for masturbation.

Even worse, though she begged that we stop having sex until marriage (pregnancy was a worry for her, too), I still would force myself on her, arousing her will she was sleeping and taking advantage of her somnolent state and arousal to have sex.

Because, once you accept masturbation, sex itself is just masturbation, because you’re only after the pleasure.

I had a pornography habit that was miles wide and leagues deep. It grew like a cancer, because once you start masturbating and find that you want the pleasure, you need to keep finding ways to keep it pleasurable. Moreover, you have to keep finding ways to make it more pleasurable. So I did. Until it nearly destroyed me.

Now, you will argue that I’ve simply gone off the deep end, that many people don’t go that far. Fine, but I’m just talking about myself, and what I have learned from direct experience. But if you want to say that we can’t generalize from that, then maybe you could help us out again with the journals you accept as properly scientific so we know what grounds we can argue this on.

Now, you’ll also argue that my wife and past relationships aside, when I’m masturbating, I’m not hurting anyone. Yet even that is wrong. I’m hurting myself. Masturbation is fundamentally exacerbating that disharmony that has existed in man since the Fall. It is pitting mind against body. It treats the body as no more than a pitiful tool to be used and abused. And if that doesn’t immediately resonate, then you really need to consider the role of body and soul.

Body and soul are not suppose to be two separate entities (as they kind of are in our fallen state, and will become when we die), but are supposed to be one, whole unit, as will happen after the Resurrection.

Just as another person’s body is not meant to be your plaything, neither is your own body supposed to be your plaything. That strikes against the dignity you possess as a human being, and it strike against self-respect. Masturbation is the statement that you’re willing to abuse your body’s natural functions solely for the purpose of yoking pleasure out of it.

To claim this is not harmful is ludicrous. Now, the degree of harm may very. Some people drink heavily, but never become alcoholics. There’s not necessarily any rhyme or reason to it. Just so, someone can masturbate heavily and still go out and have a satisfying relationship with a woman for many years, and it looks as though little harm was done. Others can masturbate infrequently, and yet find themselves hurting others sexually. The extent of the damage is always variable, always contingent on other factors, but it is always real, always present.
What you are describing is some kind of sex addiction. Sorry to hear this has caused you problems.

Sexual addiction is not *caused *by masturbation. **Excessive **masturbation is just a sign of some kind of psychological problem.
 
It serves no purpose, and twists the mind as to the nature and meaning of sex.
But how do you know it serves no purpose?

Does the fact that it serves no purpose make it wrong. Of course not.

Golf serves no logical pupose apart from self-gratification. Does that make it wrong?
 
Thomfra, this is a Catholic spirituality forum. There really is no room for debate here when the Church has taught clearly that masturbation is a sin. Your posts only serve to confuse young Catholics who may be looking for help when they click on this thread.

Rome has spoken, the debate is ended. - St. Augustine
 
Thomfra, this is a Catholic spirituality forum. There really is no room for debate here when the Church has taught clearly that masturbation is a sin. Your posts only serve to confuse young Catholics who may be looking for help when they click on this thread.

Rome has spoken, the debate is ended. - St. Augustine
Beckymarie, there are many a things which can be discussed and debated on this forum. In fact, it is not even obligatory to be catholic to post.

You shouldn’t be scared to discuss your beliefs and their validity.

If it is indeed the truth, then you should have no problems getting your point across.
 
Christ founded One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, and the Holy Spirit protects this Church from teaching in error. Christ also said to His Apostles, the successors of which form the Magisterium, “Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

Here is the Church’s teaching on masturbation, from the CCC:

**2352 ** “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”

Where Catholics are concerned, there is no debate on this matter. Whether or not you believe it is a separate issue.
 
Where Catholics are concerned, there is no debate on this matter. Whether or not you believe it is a separate issue.
If you are looking for a homogenaeity of opinion on *this *board I am afraid you are at the wrong place.

There are many Catholics who have a problem understanding/agreeing with this particular teaching.

I think you are labouring under a misapprehension with regards to the purpose of discussion forums, catholic or otherwise.
 
Cairone, first of all let me say that I applaud you for being so open about your life. HOwever, I can say that masterbation and forcing yourself on a woman have nothing to do with the other. You are just a jerk who doesn’t know how to control himself. I would have quit dating you in a heart beat. My ex husband masterbated (we were protestant) and he was never sexually agressive. He was never sexually selfish either. I know this is the same for a lot of other people too.
You basically said that masterbating ruins relationships and makes guys jerks but that is very very far from the truth. It’s apples and oranges.
All I can say is that you seemed to have missed the connection. No, one does not necessarily lead to the other. Many men will masturbate, and not seem to sexually abuse their girlfriends/spouses. Men will also sexually abuse others and never masturbate. What I said was not meant as a “this always comes from that”. Rather, both come from the same source: the willingness to treat sex and sexuality as fulfilling one purpose alone: pure gratification. Certainly my problems could be classified on the more extreme end–my addiction was fairly severe, and it caused many, many problems.

The funny thing is, you sit back and you investigate any number of failing relationships, you’ll find a common element across many of them, and it relates back to the problem of treating sex as merely a pleasurable activity. When the sex isn’t as good as they want, the relationship falls apart. And what’s really sad is the number of “sex therapists” who will recommend further sexual exploration, seeking better fulfillment through sex (i.e. getting a better orgasm). When I look at what these “experts” have to say about sex, it seems pretty obvious to me. There’s the underlying acknowledgment that sex is only about each partner glutting themselves on pleasure, which is nothing more than using another person as your masturbatory tool. Which is why these sexperts recommend lots and lots of masturbation to “know your body’s responses and how your partner can better please you”.

Now, I certainly won’t make any calls about your relationship. I can only directly comment about mine, and from my personal experience, masturbation does ruin relationships. Or more specifically, the mindset required to masturbate damages relationships.
 
What you are describing is some kind of sex addiction. Sorry to hear this has caused you problems.
Sexual addiction is not caused by masturbation. Excessive masturbation is just a sign of some kind of psychological problem.
Sexual addiction is not caused by masturbation? Well, I’ll give you that masturbation is not the sole way to become sexually addicted, but it is a gateway drug. Granted, you won’t necessarily become addicted to certain drugs just from occasional, casual use, but why even tempt fate?

You don’t seem to understand what the underlying problem is, then, but then, I may not have made it clear, either. Addiction comes from the continual increase and habit of seeking something pleasurable to remove discomfort from one’s life. You can do it with anything you find pleasurable, be it masturbation or drugs or shopping or eating or playing video games or haunting internet forums. Masturbation, like drugs, is especially vulnerable to addiction because it is an act engage purely for pleasure. There is no other reason for doing it. Does it mean you automatically become addicted by masturbating? No. But I’m willing to suspect that you’ll be less inclined to give up masturbating than some other hobby you use for purposes of relaxation.

But as I said before, the biggest problem with masturbation is the willingness to train the mind to treat the body (yours or even another’s) as nothing more than a tool for receiving pleasure.

Now, I’ll agree that sex for the most part can still be a lovingly engaged activity that still maintains plenty of the unitive and procreative aspects that the Church condones. Masturbating won’t necessarily destroy all that. But I’ll use an analogy here.

When you burn pure coal, you get harmless CO2 (and now I’ve revealed my political affiliation, as well, go figure…). But when you adulterate the coal, say with sulfur, you can still burn the coal and produce energy from it, but you won’t quite have the peak output you’d have wanted, and you’ll also end up with SOx molecules, which can be toxic and are key components in acid rain.

This is exactly what masturbation does to a relationship: pollutes it. Granted, with our fallen human nature, it is hard enough as it is to approach a sexual relationship in the full awe, joy, giving, and loving that God intended. The pollutants can also be present without masturbating (because it all comes back to the mentality of using sex solely for pleasure), but masturbating throws those pollutants in automatically.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that taking pleasure from sex is wrong, or that you should only have sex to make babies, or anything like that. Pleasure in sex is a good thing, but it should not be the primary goal. (The masturbatory mentality makes pleasure the primary goal.) The pleasure is the reward God intended for doing things right (just as we can take pleasure in sating our hunger, slaking our thirst, and so on).

BTW, I’m still waiting to hear which journals you accept as being sufficiently scientific and unbiased. If I can find it in Springer publications, is that acceptable? How about the Journal of the American Medical Association? Trauma, Violence, and Abuse?
 
If you are looking for a homogenaeity of opinion on *this *board I am afraid you are at the wrong place.

There are many Catholics who have a problem understanding/agreeing with this particular teaching.

I think you are labouring under a misapprehension with regards to the purpose of discussion forums, catholic or otherwise.
This particular thread is not trying to discern if masturbation is right or wrong, it’s about trying to help catholicsouth08 stop masturbating.

Catholicsouth08, I’ll echo what has already been said. Regular Confession and daily prayer will help out a lot.
 
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