I do not understand this...please help

[Mr_Average]

To my understanding, when Jesus died on the cross he paid in blood for all of the sins of mankind. All of them. I assumed then that providing you believe in him, accept him as your saviour and as the son of God, you too are saved. I know that you need to maintain the lifestyle and walk in faith etc to go to heaven, but what flummoxes me is the whole issue that if you die without confessing a mortal sin, you are condemned to hell. This just does not seem right to me. Christ died on the cross, I accept him, and live as best I can according to his teachings. I commit a mortal sin, and on the way to confession I am struck by a bus and die. Do I go to hell? Surely not?

In Peace, Mr Average

 

[Milliardo]

If you are killed on the way to Confession, will you go to Hell? No, since there is that intention to confess, and I would assume that you’ve repented of your sin. Note that these are extraordinary cases; more often than not, many do nt die of an accident, so they do have recourse to the Sacraments.

 

[Palatine]

The concept of confessing a mortal sin is more than just getting it into a confessional. Indeed, as Milliardo said, the intent to confess it is just as good as confessing it if for some reason you never make it to confession. However, gotta make clear that if you have the oppurtunity, you must confess your sins to be forgiven of them. We can’t say “I intend to confess it, whenever the next time I go to confession is.” Mortal sin should put our hearts into an urgency to recieve forgiveness, knowing we have offended God.

To my understanding, when Jesus died on the cross he paid in blood for all of the sins of mankind. All of them. I assumed then that providing you believe in him, accept him as your saviour and as the son of God, you too are saved.

Only one point. If Jesus paid for the sins of mankind of the Cross, why do we even have to accept him to be saved? Aren’t our sins forgiven anyway if Jesus paid the price? No, we can reject our salvation by rejecting Jesus.

In the same sense, if we commit a mortal sin (remember that 3 conditions have to be in place for it to be a mortal sin: Full knowledge, full consent of the will, and grave matter) we are rejecting Jesus. One knows when one commits a mortal sin, given the definition thereof, so we can’t “accidentally” commit a mortal sin and be condemned for something we weren’t aware of.

If you refuse to confess a mortal sin, it’s basicly saying “I don’t need to confess this sin because I’ve done nothing wrong.” The concept of saying we don’t need to be forgiven is on par with saying we don’t need Jesus, which is why having an unconfessed mortal sin is like rejecting Jesus as our Savior, and hence Hell-worthy. Hope I’m making some sense… :ehh:

God bless!

 

[Cherub]

Mr Average:

To my understanding, when Jesus died on the cross he paid in blood for all of the sins of mankind. All of them. I assumed then that providing you believe in him, accept him as your saviour and as the son of God, you too are saved. I know that you need to maintain the lifestyle and walk in faith etc to go to heaven, but what flummoxes me is the whole issue that if you die without confessing a mortal sin, you are condemned to hell. This just does not seem right to me. Christ died on the cross, I accept him, and live as best I can according to his teachings. I commit a mortal sin, and on the way to confession I am struck by a bus and die. Do I go to hell? Surely not?

In Peace, Mr Average

Unrepented sin separates us from the live-giving grace of God. That is what Jesus came to do: to restore us to a state of grace with the Father, and to open up the lines of communication again to those who accept the Lord and come to the Father through Him. Going to confession is the sacrament Jesus gives to us via the priests of his Holy Church, to whom are given the power to loose and bind sins in Heaven. This is the very meaning of “accepting” Jesus, accepting his love, his sacrifice, his laws and his teachings – not just the fact that he exists and is who he is.
I was reading in another thread earlier this week, a person wrote that if we imagined someone leaping out into the busy street to save our loved one from being hit by a speeding car, and that person died saving our loved one, how would we console the savior’s family? The writer of this post suggested there is no way to repay the family for what their fallen one had done, for sacrificing himself that way. But that isn’t really true, is it? What we can do is not step immediately back out into the street and be killed by another speeding car, and we can change our ways and have the sense to be mortified at our previous carelessness, and vow to pay better attention in the future, so that the one who saved our life did not perish in vain.

 

[Ignatius]

Mr Average:

To my understanding, when Jesus died on the cross he paid in blood for all of the sins of mankind. All of them. I assumed then that providing you believe in him, accept him as your saviour and as the son of God, you too are saved. I know that you need to maintain the lifestyle and walk in faith etc to go to heaven, but what flummoxes me is the whole issue that if you die without confessing a mortal sin, you are condemned to hell. This just does not seem right to me. Christ died on the cross, I accept him, and live as best I can according to his teachings. I commit a mortal sin, and on the way to confession I am struck by a bus and die. Do I go to hell? Surely not?

In Peace, Mr Average

The purpose of confession is repentance. You cannot be saved unless you repent. If you are killed on the way to confession you will not go to hell.

 

[Thal59]

Mr.Average, just for the sake of debate, when Jesus died on the cross, He was quite a mess to look at; He was whipped and scourged from head to toe. Yet, when Jesus was resurrected, His body was not only raised from death, it was healed. All except for, of course, the wounds in His hands, feet, and side. (The wounds Thomas touched.)

Why was it necessary for these wounds to remain even as Jesus ascended into heaven?

Thal59

 

[Mijoy2]

Thal59:

Mr.Average, just for the sake of debate, when Jesus died on the cross, He was quite a mess to look at; He was whipped and scourged from head to toe. Yet, when Jesus was resurrected, His body was not only raised from death, it was healed. All except for, of course, the wounds in His hands, feet, and side. (The wounds Thomas touched.)

Why was it necessary for these wounds to remain even as Jesus ascended into heaven?

Thal59

Okay I’ll bite; why?

 

[Schabel]

Mr Average:

To my understanding, when Jesus died on the cross he paid in blood for all of the sins of mankind. All of them. I assumed then that providing you believe in him, accept him as your saviour and as the son of God, you too are saved. I know that you need to maintain the lifestyle and walk in faith etc to go to heaven, but what flummoxes me is the whole issue that if you die without confessing a mortal sin, you are condemned to hell. This just does not seem right to me. Christ died on the cross, I accept him, and live as best I can according to his teachings. I commit a mortal sin, and on the way to confession I am struck by a bus and die. Do I go to hell? Surely not?

In Peace, Mr Average

Believe means more than just knowing who He is.

I posted this on another website:
the meaning of the word “believe,” pisteuo in greek, goes far beyond mere head knowledge. It implies obedience to His commands as well.

As Steven Ray says in his book “The Gospel of John”:

quote: In the New Testament, “believe” is often used as a synecdoche. A synecdoche is a part that represents the whole (as in “head of cattle”, where the word “head” is a synecdoche for the whole). When you order a hot dog, the waiter does not just serve you a plain hot dog; he also brings a bun, condiments, a plate, and so on. “Hot dog” can be a synecdoche for the whole meal. “Believe” and “receive” are synecdoches, words that represent all that is included and necessary to “be saved” and follow Christ. Mere belief—mental assent—is not enough (cf. Jas 2:18-26). Belief includes faith, obedience, following Christ, taking up our cross, confessing his name …

Want proof? Look at the strong’s definition for apeitheo, the word used in John 3:36 as the opposite of “believe”:

quote: from 545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely):–not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.

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[Mr_Average]

Thal59:

Mr.Average, just for the sake of debate, when Jesus died on the cross, He was quite a mess to look at; He was whipped and scourged from head to toe. Yet, when Jesus was resurrected, His body was not only raised from death, it was healed. All except for, of course, the wounds in His hands, feet, and side. (The wounds Thomas touched.)

Why was it necessary for these wounds to remain even as Jesus ascended into heaven?

Thal59

I’ll bite too! Please elaborate… Thank you

In Peace, Mr Average