I have a question about Mary and the Saints

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My understanding is that God hears our prayers because he is omniopotent/omnipotence but I have trouble understanding how Mary and the Saints would be able to hear our prayers.

If for example hundreds around the world were praying to a particular saint at the same time, how would that saint have the ability/power to hear them all at the same time?
 
You must change your thinking from earthly to temporal. You have to realize that Mary and the Saints are no longer of this world and are no longer bound by the limitations of this world. Earthly limitations cease when we pass.
 
You must change your thinking from earthly to temporal. You have to realize that Mary and the Saints are no longer of this world and are no longer bound by the limitations of this world. Earthly limitations cease when we pass.
Thank you. Of course I did consider that aspect that things are obviously different in heaven. I guess what I really wondered is if there is anywhere in scripture that will support this, or is this a tradition teaching that we are to accept?

To clarify are you saying that all that make it to heaven will be graced with the ability to hear multitudes at one time?
 
Rev 8:3-4 is a good example of intercession of saints.
 
Thank you. Of course I did consider that aspect that things are obviously different in heaven. I guess what I really wondered is if there is anywhere in scripture that will support this, or is this a tradition teaching that we are to accept?

To clarify are you saying that all that make it to heaven will be graced with the ability to hear multitudes at one time?
When we enter heaven, we all become part of the Communion of Saints.
 
When we enter heaven, we all become part of the Communion of Saints.
I started to say we all become saints when we get to heaven. The word saint is sometimes used that way. However we are all members of the communion of saints. It consists of the saints in heaven, the faithful on earth, and the souls in purgatory. In that sense, we are all called saints.
 
I started to say we all become saints when we get to heaven. The word saint is sometimes used that way. However we are all members of the communion of saints. It consists of the saints in heaven, the faithful on earth, and the souls in purgatory. In that sense, we are all called saints.
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It is through the power of God that the saints in Heaven can hear us and pray for us.
 
Rev 8:3-4 is a good example of intercession of saints.
“And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.”

I’m not sure that the scripture you are using proves that we should be praying to them or that that verse is actually referring to heavenly saints, or at least only to heavenly saints. In the New Testament we find the word saint many more times referring to living people then we do to those who have died.

If you are correct and it is the saints in heaven that the verse is referring to, does that not infer that we still will not be able to approach God, even in Heaven, that we will need Angels to offer up our prayers for us?
 
“And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.”

I’m not sure that the scripture you are using proves that we should be praying to them or that that verse is actually referring to heavenly saints, or at least only to heavenly saints. In the New Testament we find the word saint many more times referring to living people then we do to those who have died.

If you are correct and it is the saints in heaven that the verse is referring to, does that not infer that we still will not be able to approach God, even in Heaven, that we will need Angels to offer up our prayers for us?
Anne, anyone who is in Heaven is united with Christ. That’s in Scripture. Now can you tell me how a person can be perfectly united to Christ and NOT be able to experience what Christ experiences?

IOW, do you picture heaven as some vast expanse of space with Jesus in one ‘area’ and the saints wandering around thousands or millions of miles away from Jesus and each other just in some kind of trance, knowing nothing of God or each other?
 
Anne, anyone who is in Heaven is united with Christ. That’s in Scripture. Now can you tell me how a person can be perfectly united to Christ and NOT be able to experience what Christ experiences?

IOW, do you picture heaven as some vast expanse of space with Jesus in one ‘area’ and the saints wandering around thousands or millions of miles away from Jesus and each other just in some kind of trance, knowing nothing of God or each other?
I think you missed my point!:)I do believe we are united with Christ in Heaven, which was why I was questioning the scripture shared. I take that scripture to mean that the angel was delivering the prayers of saints on earth because a Saint in Heaven would have no need for an angel to do so. If that is the case then how would that scripture in particular support praying to the saints?

But if you mean that we will be able to hear everybody on earth, then no I actually do not know if that is the case. I don’t think to be united with Christ that we would necessarily have the ability to do all he is able to do.
 
If you have a trouble with that particular scripture, how about:

Rev 5:8
When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
 
If you have a trouble with that particular scripture, how about:

Rev 5:8
Yes, I can see how that could be the prayers of the saints in heaven or the saints on earth or perhaps even the prayers from both. I’m not sure it is clear as Revelations is highly symbolic. I don’t pretend that I am knowledgable enough to argue a position one way or the other:)

I can understand that the saints in heaven pray for us as a group of sinners in need of salvation, but I am not sure how that automatically leads to us praying to or asking for assistance from them and I’m still not sure whether they could actually hear everyone’s individual petitions.
 
Anne,

Naturally, through the divine power of God, it is a mystery exactly how He does stuff, including allowing saints in heaven to hear our prayers.
It is documented in scripture… prayers of intercession for people, people asking for others to pray for them, etc.
If I were to ask you to pray for me, would you do it?
Are not the people in heaven righteous?
Are people in heaven dead or alive?

Have you seen this webpage, here on CA? catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp
 
Some anecdotes that helped me visualize what our intercessors in Heaven go through… 🙂

A certain lady used to kneel in front of a photograph of Padre Pio every evening before going to bed to ask his blessing. Her husband, a good Catholic, thought that the gesture was an exaggeration and began laughing and teasing her each time she did so. Once he told Padre Pio about his wife’s habit. “Every evening my wife kneels in front of your photo and asks you to bless her.” Padre Pio answered, “I know, I know…and you start laughing.”

A gentleman said, “I had decided to give up smoking and to offer this small sacrifice to Padre Pio. Since then, every evening, with the intact packet of cigarettes in my hand, I stayed in front of his image telling him, ‘Father…it is one…’ The second day, ‘Padre, it is two…’ Three months later, I went to San Giovanni Rotondo to see Padre Pio after doing the same thing every evening. ‘Padre,’ I told him as soon as I saw him, ‘I haven’t been smoking for 81 days, 81 packets…’ Padre Pio said, ‘I know everything you know, you made me count the packets every evening.’”

A poor widow woman from Bologna, with five children had visited Padre Pio. She asked him to accept her as one of his spiritual children. She also asked him to keep all of her children in his prayers. He heard her confession and after the meeting, she prayed to Padre Pio every day. In her prayers, she asked him to watch over her children, protect and bless them. Five years later she visited Padre Pio again and during confession she asked him to watch over her children. He said to her, “How many times do you intend to ask me that question?” She told him she did not understand. He replied, “You have asked that of me every day for the last five years!”

(citations: padrepiodevotions.org/testimonials.asp and padrepio.catholicwebservices.com/ENGLISH/knowledge.htm )
 
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