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Interestingly, Cardinal Hans Urs von Balthasar wrote a very approving “afterword” to a book called “Meditations on the Tarot: A Journey into Christian Hermeticism” (author “Anonymous”). The book uses the symbols of the Tarot not for divination, but as topics for essays about various aspects of Christianity. It’s probably not for everyone, but I don’t think anyone would accuse of Cardinal Balthasar of promoting evil … would they?
A reviewer of that work (by “Anonymous” [Valentin Tomberg, [1900-73]]):

Fred | Monday, April 02, 2007 at 08:18 AM

Hi, I am Stratford Caldecott, editor of ‘Second Spring’ as mentioned above. Carl asked me to jump in. I have to say the intention of our journal is to be as open-minded as we can be from within a total commitment to Catholic truth and the authority of the Church. As background, I am a convert from a New Age sort of background (by which I don’t mean the flakier kinds of occultism but simply an interest in mysticism and other religions, that kind of thing). My heroes are Newman, Chesterton, Tolkien, JPII, Ratzinger/Benedict, not to mention various saints - and I count Balthasar as a big influence, though do not regard him as infallible.

I don’t have time now to dig out my original review of Tomberg, but will try to do that later if it might be helpful. It is a very rich and stimulating book, but as Balthasar said (in comments largely edited out of the ‘Afterword’ to the English paperback edition because they sounded too critical) there are certain flaws that need to be borne in mind. It does not appear to be totally orthodox, despite the author’s intention. However, the book is not at all to do with ‘Tarot’ in the sense of divination, but uses the SYMBOLS on the cards as a way into a series of meditations on the Christian and the ‘Hermetic’ traditions that he is trying to weave together.

The book does raise some big questions. But they are questions worth asking. In my book ‘The Seven Sacraments’ I found some of Tomberg’s insights helpful in relating the sacraments to the Signs and I am sayings in the Gospel of John, etc. - but this is an old medieval custom in any case.

Good luck with this discussion. I know the very word ‘Tarot’ raises hackles, and that is understandable. But for some people (not everyone) the book can be very helpful, I think.​

Also: ignatiusinsight.com/features2007/scaldecott_hubtarot_apr07.asp

And: google.com/search?q=Hans+Urs+von+Balthasar+tarot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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Were tarot decks occult prior to them being subverted for occult practices?
Would you decorate your home, office or other space with artistic variations of swastika’s?

“Infused” meaning by association is not extricable from a symbol if the meaning is known within the culture observing the symbol.

There is no divorcing the items of the tarot cards from their acquired associations. Period.

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Would you decorate your home, office or other space with artistic variations of swastika’s?

“Infused” meaning by association is not extricable from a symbol if the meaning is known within the culture observing the symbol.

There is no divorcing the items of the tarot cards from their acquired associations. Period.

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Thank you for the thought. With respect, I challenge that these cards are universally infused with occult meaning.

The tarot holds very little of the occult afterthoughts held in America. For example, the Tarot Nouveau is used commonly for playing card games, this being their common meaning.

Even the swastika does not hold the universal connotation of Nazism. Though inapproriate where the audience does connect the swastika to those dark decades of Germany’s history, places such as India use them without any of that stigma.

I do understand the point that this might be offensive to those who hold tarot to hold this meaning. I have little intention on parading something that might be offensive to another without good cause.

However, my question was mostly a personal one. The drawings would mostly be for either class or as something to practice with.

Please don’t take me as stubborn. You have stated that “There is no divorcing the items of the tarot cards from their acquired associations. Period.” While I am inclined to agree for the large part, I do not agree that the occult usage is the sum of the tarot’s acquired association.

Thank you for your response, though. It leaves me much to think about.

By the way, what’s up with the clover thing?
 
Buy them for the art, don’t use them for divination etc. no sin in that, people have collections of a lot of things.
 
I’m an artist, and I very much disagree. This may be another topic for another thread at another time, but if art didn’t have a context, it wouldn’t exist. Inspiration, presentation, these all need a context. And art is never without commentary–the artist puts commentary in his or her very art.
Of course: what did I say that made you think I didn’t know this? My point is that the information MUST BE WITHIN THE IMAGE to be valid.

If you have to explain the image, if you have to assign it one of the archetypes of Tarot to make it meaningful, it has failed as art, it’s only illustration.
 
Would you decorate your home, office or other space with artistic variations of swastika’s?

“Infused” meaning by association is not extricable from a symbol if the meaning is known within the culture observing the symbol.

There is no divorcing the items of the tarot cards from their acquired associations. Period.

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Maybe some would not do, but others might.

Swastika is an integral part of Hinduism, and is a symbol of peace and prosperity. It must be the most reproduced symbol in the world. In any Hindu home you would find everywhere. Hindu wedding and other invitation cards have it invariably.
 
While you yourself may not have any interest in occult you could be contributing to others and their interest in occult. The intrinsic evil comes from the sole purpose of the cards is divination of future. The site you link to references a desire to have the cards published; just what are people going to be purchasing the cards for? the artist comments run along the similar lines as this quote for all of the cards “The Star - Regaining hope, faith in the future, inspiration, tranquility amid trouble, harmony, offering without reservations, sharing and being generous.”

Even though you yourself are only looking at the art itself you are opening yourself up to another world and thereby making yourself vulnerable.

Example sure Ouija boards sound fun and mildly amusing for parties until it moves on its own and tells you that its coming to kill you. (true event) or you throw it out at a dumpster close to your home and it beats you home. (knew a girl in H.S. that this happened to).

There are many better subjects for art. Plus as members of the RCC we must accept the teachings of the Church which states in CCC 2116 “Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.”
 
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