I have trust issues concerning religion

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Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.

On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.

On the hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.

The same is true of all faiths.

What does one do?

I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
 
Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.

On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.

On the hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.

The same is true of all faiths.

What does one do?

I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
With a billion or so Catholics, there are bound to be some people who fit your thoughts of good and evil. Our priest once said, the church is full of hypocrites, but there is always room for one more, but mere Catholics are not God.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth, there is the need to search for God, and if you are searching, you have to do something.

Blessings

Eric
 
Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.

On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.

On the hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.

The same is true of all faiths.

What does one do?

I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
Do you really believe the teaching of Jesus which has inspired so many people throughout the world to dedicate their lives to helping others is “the product of clever deceivers”? What evidence is there for such an absurd hypothesis?
 
Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.

On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.

On the hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.

The same is true of all faiths.

What does one do?

I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
I think some of the answers were less than helpful here, unfortunately :(.

In all seriousness, from an epistemological point of view, creating a conspiracy on the scale of the Catholic Church would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

Moreover, it is a deception that is difficult to explain based on human motives. Let us assume for the sake of argument that the first Christians got together and conspired to form a “church” that professed the “resurrection” of a certain “Jesus Christ.”

There would be an awful lot to fabricate: stories about Jesus’ birth and death (even supposing he was really crucified), stories about miracles (including some rather public ones), some rather unique and controversial sayings. Jesus’ story is quite different from that of mythical heroes in ancient times. (Compare Jesus with Aeneas, Achilles, or Odysseus, or even with real-life figures such as Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar, or the Old-Testament priests, kings, and prophets, and you will see that fabricating Jesus’ life story would be a considerable challenge.)

Then again, it would be difficult to explain the steadfastness of the first disciples in the face of persecution. Why would they suffer prison, torture, and death for the sake of a fable that they had invented? Even if they didn’t admit that they made it up, it would have been much more sensible to keep silent as much as possible.

So, I think that a deliberate concoction of the Church can reasonably be discarded. However, the theory that the Church is a delusion fares little better: the closest thing in history to a delusion of this kind is the formulation of the great pagan religions. On the other hand, those religions differ from Christianity in several respects.

First of all, the pagan religions (as well as Judaism) took hundreds, if not thousands, of years to develop, and their development was “organic:” the later forms can easily be traced as gradual developments of earlier ones. Christianity, on the other hand, emerged in more or less its present form in about a generation. (St. Ignatius of Antioch clearly attests to a threefold hierarchy of bishops, priests, and deacons as early as the beginning of the 2nd Century A.D., and there are hints even in St. Paul’s writings that this hierarchy is beginning to form already in 50 A.D.)

Second, Christianity has a remarkable unity of doctrine and practice (a characteristic it shares with Judaism and Islam), even today despite the sad divisions among Christians. Each city in the ancient world had its own pantheon, and there was very little attempt to unify them, at least not until Christianity became a threat to paganism. On the other hand, the monotheistic traditions have always been very emphatic in retaining the essence of their beliefs.

(The doctrinal unity of Christianity is probably more pronounced than that of Judaism and Islam, especially on certain essential points of doctrine, such as those regarding the Trinity and the Incarnation. Even if we look at some of the sadder aspects of our history—the Arian controversy, for example—it is remarkable that people would be willing to fight and even die for the sake of a doctrinal question; that was unheard of in the ancient pagan world.)

So if Christianity is a delusion, it would be remarkable for its coherence and the speed with which it came to be. I think, therefore, that the possibility of a “Christian delusion” can also be reasonably discarded.

What we are left with, reasonably speaking, is that there is at least some degree of truth at the basis of Christianity. Exactly what that is and how reliable it is, is another question, which probably cannot be completely answered outside the context of faith.
 
Answers so far do not seem to be very helpful…

Let’s see what we can do with your concerns.
Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.
Yes this is a possibility.
On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.
Yes - - -
On the (other) hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.
How so?
The same is true of all faiths.
What does one do?
I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
Well - In order to discern which it is, the first thing to do would be to look at the teachings of the Church - in her own official writings and see if they ring true.
This way you separate the “teachings” from any (possible) twisting that might be done by a deceiver.

When I speak of “ring true”, I mean that one must have a solid core to compare a given set of teachings to.
For myself, that core is set forth by Christ Himself in several places in Scripture.
  1. Mt 22:36-40
  2. John 13:34-35
  3. John 15:13
    The Holy Spirit continues this theme in the Epistles…

    1. *]Romans 13:8-10
      *]1 Cor 13:1-13
      *]1 John 4:7-8
    And of course there are other references…but the underlying core is Love - Agape - a deep profound Love that seeks the highest good of another.
    Those who deceive - will not be putting Agape at the center of their teaching.
    The Catholic Church DOES put Agape at the center of her teaching.

    Hope this helps.

    Peace
    James
 
JKRH has provided you a place to start and I would like to offer you some ideas that I have used in my personal faith journey. Yes, all religions here on earth are full of human beings who can have human failings. But, in matters of faith sometimes some of us just have to jump in and stop trying to reason through things we are never going to be able to touch or see until we meet God after we leave this earth. Faith can be built for those of us that it doesn’t come easy to but you have to take steps to remove the doubts you carry in your heart and turn to the promises that God has for our lives if we let Him in. I choose faith and I drive any conflicting ideas that come to my mind away with prayer and the rosary. I urge you to read the lives of the the many saints we have who gave their lives for their faith. God bless you, I will pray for you.
 
Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.

On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.

On the hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.

The same is true of all faiths.

What does one do?

I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
It was my initial difficult after reverting to the faith. How could I listen to Christian pastors who are betrayed by their actions?..well, I read a lot from the saints:) They inspired me so much…so I recommend that you look at the best models of the Catholic faith and learn from them–why they stick with the faith despite the woundedness of the Church. I recommend St. Augustine and St. John Vianney.

Also, I discovered that Christianity is not a religion…It is a relationship with God. All of our hope is not based on any human but in Jesus. Though I understand in the initial stages of the faith, it is very important to have a very good Christian model. So again read the saints:) if you can, find a spiritual director and christian community to share your struggles with. You cant do it alone…and a christian like me sins 77x 7 times in a day 🙂 It is very human to sin…if you focus on that you will not understand christianity…because it is all about love, forgiveness and most of all acceptance of ones sinfulness.🙂
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I believe perhaps the first step to understand christianity is to start forgiving those people who betrayed your trust, those pastors who have been bad models, those christians who were unchristians, and the part of yourself that you cannot accept and love (you’ll know that by knowing what you hate in other people) **.😃
 
Religions are made up of fallible people who have the capacity to deceive and thus control through deception.

On the one hand the catholic church could genuinely be a gift from God.

On the hand the church could be the product of clever deceivers.

The same is true of all faiths.

What does one do?

I am just speaking on my struggles with faith in religion.
I would like to add a few thoughts to what Imelahn said.

It is certain that God exists, right? You do believe that don’t you? If not, that is where you have to start.

Assuming that God exists, it makes sense that he would reveal his purposes to mankind. Otherwise what would have been the point in creating us? As ignorant as we are, it is certain that no one would have been able to discern his purposes and his nature unless he told us about it in clear, precise words we could understand.

Now the Jewish writings show that God did indeed reveal himself in clear words through the Fathers ( Abraham, Isacc, Jacob, and Joseph ) and the prophets. And in this Revelation he promised to send a redeemer who would be God Incarnate, he even told them when to expect him and where he would be born. And the Jewish religion was the only one that did so. And what could the Jews have gained from invinting such a story? Nothing, it made them enemies of every other nation in the world.

Next, Christ was born, and he fulfilled all the prophacys concerning himself, and he proved he was the Divine Son of God by his works and words.

Then he established a Church to whom he would send the Holy Spirit who would guide that Church until the end of time, protecting it against all error.

Finally, the Catholic Church is the only Church which has taught the same words of Christ from then until now, adding nothing, subtracting nothing, changing nothing.

Could this have been a conspiricy? Hardly, what was to be gained? The Church suffered nearly 400 years of merciless persecution - and it still goes on. What is to be gained? It would be much easier to flow with the crowd.

Finally, the teachings and faith practices of the Catholic Church are eminently sound from every point of view, psychologically, intellectually, morally, philosophically.

And the Catholic Church is the only Church that is truly, One, Holy, Catholic, Universal and that traces its origins directly to the Apostles and Christ.

Linus2nd
 
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