I need to talk about the Magdalene Laundries of Ireland

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One thing that made me suspicious of all the fuss about Magdalen Assylums was the lack of eyewitness testimonies. The Asylums are supposed only to have closed ten years ago, but almost no living witnesses appear anywhere to give real life accounts. All the accusations tend to be general.

This is one of the few real accounts I found on the web. It went unsolicited to a web site from someone who had seen the film. It presents a slightly different view.

I just viewed the Magdalene Sisters yesterday. I came from an Irish American, Catholic background. In the forties my stepmother deciding that I was “too much for her,” and had the courts remand me to the Good Shepherd Sisters in Brooklyn. It was very strict there and regimented. After a while it seemed to me to “become home.” We were never struck or humiiliated while naked by the nuns as in the movie. However, there are other ways of mortifying a person.

Wanting to be a “good girl” I obeyed all the rules becoming a “consecrate” with the intention of entering the penitent sisters there. Since no one wanted to claim me on the outside, I stayed with the sisters for about seven years, graduating from High School there and then deciding to enter the convent as a Magdalen, a cloister where the sisters wear the brown habit and are subject to the Carmelite Rule. This convent was attached to the Good Shepherd convent in the shape of a cross, with the large chapel at the center. I became a “penitent” sister a month after high school graduation wearing a blue gown instead of white and a crown of thorns instead of the crown of flowers that “a chaste bride of Christ” would wear.

I stayed for two years after I had taken the white veil as a novice but then realized at the age of twenty one that I did not feel the vocation to stay, so I left the convent with great emotional difficulty and headed for Manhattan where I found work with a large insurance company.Living with a kind uncle proved unworkable since his wife felt I was invading their peaceful existance by being there. I found a room in the home of a cousin’s friends. At the USO where I volunteered to make coffee and sandwiches, I met a young soldier from a rural northern state and in short order married him.

It was a marriage of forty two years and eight children, often difficult and full of hunger,lack of heat, physical abuse, cruel in-laws and his straying. Along with that came his alcoholism that I finally succumbed to as well. My gift to my children was the great “love and kindness” I felt for and gave them, since that was what I had not been given. I thought that made up for the horrible chaos in the home. In retrospect, it did not!At any rate, the sad part of all this is that I felt worthless and having the “Irish Catholic guilt syndrome”, felt as if my woes were deserved. After twenty two years of the drinking in the home I threw the bottle in the sink and after three years he followed suit. The next twenty years till he died were relatively peaceful, with the children mostly grown and Himself calming down. The marriage ended in his death through which I stayed for the final five weeks of his illness in the hospital at his side and was glad to do so, God Rest him. Three years after his death and finally making a new life for myself, I met a wonderful, kind and gentle man at my church. It has been almost eleven years now since our marriage, but it has been the most rewarding years of my life. The conflicts in the Catholic Church make it hard for me to recognize it as the all powerful Roman Catholic bastion it was years ago, but my husband and I stay faithful to our religion. I have at last sailed into a safe and loving harbor and feel that my dear husband now has saved me from dying without ever being loved. Perhaps it saved my life, going to the nuns, since I felt desperate for affection getting none from my dad or stepmother and I could have ended up in even worse straits than I did. But it took me years in therapy to get over the idea that I had deserved all the bad treatment I received and the lack of self esteem that ran from the time I was eight when my mother died till I was in my mid sixties. It still makes me sad when I see mothers and fathers caring for, loving and instructing their children to build the positive impressions of their children’s egos, but as I say, at least now I feel loved and appreciated in my sunset years. I do not feel sorry for my experiences since I regard myself as a survivor and had I not experienced all the bad things, I would not now appreciate the life I now enjoy. God Bless you all who read this story.

rosiethird2
03.27.2004

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When I was reading a while back on the laundries I was struck by one article which said that when the laundries closed a number of the women living in them moved into monasteries or other houses run by the same sisters. That’s a very interesting fact, if true!
 
one of my co workers was in a magdalene laundry. on much research james smith book on national architecture of containment explains how this horrific abuse took place. abuse can happen in closed walled institutions unless we the people demand check ups frequently. to protect young persons. lilies
 
it is so important to have authorities check all institutions as children are so easily abused when behind walls of an institution. better to be protective of them than say it did not happen only years later to get proof much happened.
 
Axion,

I was quite disturbed to see your post. I found it’s tone and content of supportiveness for the crimes committed at these laundries disappointing. I was also disappointed to see that you chose to casually dismissing the suffering of the victim’s.

Lets start with
What we have with the Magdalen Asylums is a situation where women who were ex-prostitutes, or “at risk of” prostitution, were admitted (some possibly under some state coercion and having few other options open)
So you freely admit that at least “some” women who hadn’t actually done anything wrong, but were merely perceived as being at risk of such behavior by some unspecified person were coerced into these instititutions and we’re supposed to be okay with it because a)they were mixed in with “real” prostitutes, and b)some of them weren’t coerced?

Similarly,
In fact those unlucky enough to find themselves in ‘’‘secular’’’ mental institutions (and that was a considerable number) were also subject to the maiming torture of drug “treatment”, and Electro-convulsive-therapy. And some of that still goes on today - with no catholic nuns involved! So attempts to present this as some “evil catholic scandal” as the article has done, are utterly misplaced.
You defense boils down to “Catholic nuns aren’t as bad as the folks running mental hospitals” as well as "hey these girls had it easy, they could have been sent to mental hospitals where they would have been subject to unnecessary and sometimes agaonizing ECT and drugs. Right.

Then we have:
Talk of people being kept in “prison”, and being used as “slaves”, is emotive nonsense, bordering on hysteria, and certainly not the stuff of any sort of encyclopaedia. There are many, many institutions in the UK, US and Ireland, where the inmates work, or have worked, both as part of their integration into normal society, and to contribute towards their own upkeep. To call such systems “prisons” and “slavery” is crass nonsense. Not ten miles from where I live there is a community where mentally handicapped people live and work in hostels, under supervision, farming and producing craft goods.
So women are kept in locked environments, not permitted to leave and forced to work without pay, but people who compare that situation to prison or slavery are nonsensically emotive bordering on hysterical, because there is a group home for mentally handicapped people near your house? Aren’t those people there voluntarily? I believe a close examination will reveal that they are in fact paid for their work.

Even your own little pet source that you trot out to refute the allegations admits them
Maria Luddy of Warwick University, who wrote the review you pooh poohed, is one of the foremost experts on the subject in Ireland. A paper of hers here: triangle.co.uk/pdf/viewpdf.asp?j=whr&vol=6&issue=4&year=1997&article=Luddy&id=80.225.3.92 states:

"'The majority of women who entered these refuges did so voluntarily. Approximately 7110, or just over 66%,… "

No mention of “crimes”, let alone “slavery” and “imprisonment”.
So your own source states that nearly 1/3 of the women there weren’t there voluntarily. That in itself recognizes that the crime of imprisonment occurred at least 3500 times, yet you blithely assert that there is no mention of “crimes”, “slavery” or “imprisonment”.

Then we come to this:
An examination of the ‘’‘facts’’’ shows that nearly all such large-scale residential institutions for the non-violent, (secular and religious), disapppeared at the same time, between the 70s and the 90s, as attitudes changed and community-based solutions dominated. The idea that they were closed because the washing machine was invented is risible. And actually, the washing machine appeared around 1920, the automatic following in 1950.
With absolutely no mention of the fact that attitudes were changed by investigative revelations such as this one that revealed the true facts of conditions within institutions like the Magadelene Laundries and many, many mental hospitals and orphanages. When these conditions were revealed the public was repulsed and disgusted to point of demanding the closure of such institutions.
More risible still is the notion that the Catholic church had a wish to run chains of laundries based on slave labour.
Well, it certainly appears that they did, whether or not they “had a wish to”
 
in research i have found sisters of mercy did give apooby to survivors of laun dries for crimes they said they "may have "commited but no apology i know of from good shepherd order. marie steed and other survivors have info on magdalene laundries at croydon college web site. if we deny abuse we are part of the abuse , if we make people aware of abuse we are part of perotecting young people. what would jesus do? abuse takes place in many institutions when we are not aware of it happening. the church can have abuse in it bacause we each as individuals choose good or evil. it does not make the whole church evil only individuals. i will not be a part of abuse by denying it. lilies
 
It’s not only the Magdalen Laundries, or certain orders of nuns who took on a task for which they were unqualified. It was the whole movement of Industrial Schools which became pits of despair.

If you read, “Do Penance or Perish” and “Suffer the Little Children”, you’ll see that many of these institutions were also Protestant. These were formed because of a societal need, not because an order of nuns wanted to make money from suffering. That having been said, there are many horrible atrocities that were perprtrated and buried.

Thee homes were initially incepted for the reform of “wanton women” and to prevent STDs from reaching soldiers. Corrupt people took that excuse and ran with it, taking in children for free labor and other horrible reasons. At times, women were given up to these institutions for the wrong reasons, such as to avoid scandal, and others became institutionalized and unable to live in the outside world. Young boys were [allegedly] abused by brothers and priests, as well.

Now, when the government(s) became aware of such abuses, they often did nothing. Sometimes they didn’t intervene because they didn’t want to overstep their bounds and argue with thee religious communities, and sometimes it was because they had no idea how to go about social reform. In fact, Father Flanagan was against the system of that period, and designed his dream, Boys Town, as its antithesis.

I strongly encourage you to pick up the books I mentioned. They’ll help you see things in a more balanced light. Did the church leaders drop the ball? Absolutely. Did the government sytems abandon people to a corrupt system which they helped to create? Certainly. Which only leaves the question: What can we do about it today?
 
if we deny abuse we are part of the abuse , if we make people aware of abuse we are part of perotecting young people. what would jesus do?
Jesus would speak for the truth, whatever that would be. If sexual abuse or physical took place, and it was verifiable, then no one who knows this should deny it. I do not think that is what anyone is saying. No one here has witnessed this abuse. It is acceptable to critically analyze news reports and personal stories for falsehood. If every story or report of abuse is excepted at face value we are guilty of rash judgement.
 
my grandmother,from cork city was in a magdalene laundry. she was not a prostitute. she was sexually abused by a member of church and they needed a quick fix to cover up what happened when she spoke up on rape she was hustled off to magdalene laundries in cork to keep her quite at urging of priest. she kept to this story until she died at age 76. this happened to her at age 11. lilies
 
it is rash judgement to say most of magdalene laundry girls were prostitutes. not true. a large per centage were victims of incest. i have been to cork i have met with authorities there in recent years. how sad people want to label these exploited girls a derogatory name and such name calling shoul be retracted from this forum. jesus would not be pleased with that . lilies
 
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