I once asked about upraised hands during the "Our Father"

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Take away the ‘externals’ and what do you have?

Quakers!
Be careful, and please be duly respectful to other faiths. We have at least one very well educated and knowledgeable Quaker contributor on the CAF. I doubt he would agree that Catholic Mass without altar rails (etc.) = Quaker worship.
 
I made no such comment.

I noted that Jesus was correcting the teaching of the pharisees who taught that holiness was based on piety of worship and obedience to their interpretation of 613 commandments of the mosaic law.

No one said that anyone was a pharisee. Stop all this nonesense about pharisees. No one said such a thing.

-Tim-
You attempted to use the Sermon on the Mount against Traditionalists who reject novelties introduced in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. And you attempt to reduce any acts of reverence that Traditionalists find beneficial in their growth in Holiness, over modern liturgical innovations, by equating them to Pharisees who based Holiness on piety of worship.
 
Wasn’t the Pharisees problem that they wanted everyone to see how pious they were. Isn’t that why Jesus said when you fast keep yourself well groomed so that no one can tell you’re fasting, or to go to an inner room and pray in private. It seems to me that Jesus was saying to put our focus on God and not draw attention to ourselves. I don’t know, maybe I’m not smart enough to figure it out. 🤷
 
You attempted to use the Sermon on the Mount against Traditionalists who reject novelties introduced in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. And you attempt to reduce any acts of reverence that Traditionalists find beneficial in their growth in Holiness, over modern liturgical innovations, by equating them to Pharisees who based Holiness on piety of worship.
The title of the thread itslef draws attention to worship practices “I was once asked about upraised hands…” Several posters have questioned the holiness and reverence of other Catholics based on external form. The Pharassaic outlook judges others on form rather than internal disposition. So what exactly are you trying to say above??? I’m a little confused as to how you are applying principle here.

I would simply request that “traditionalists” lay off the petty and divisive criticism of fellow Catholics.
 
Is there no one these Protestants can’t get to with their Protestantly Protestant Protestantizing influences?!
ROFL!!! :rotfl:

You’re a hoot!!

The orans position bugs the OP. So what? It bugs me, too, because it’s priestly posturing (say that ten times fast…), but again, so what? It’s interesting how upset some of you are getting over a feeling the OP has.

But it’s all been a worthwhile read, if not for the hearty laugh I got out of the quoted text above!
 
How I pray to and converse with my Lord and Savior is my own business.

If you were praying like you ought, you wouldn’t be paying attention to anyone else.

-Tim-
LOL a bit ironic that you say she should not tell you how to pray because that’s your own business…

And then you tell her how she “ought” to pray (don’t pay attention to anyone else).:hmmm:
 
Wasn’t the Pharisees problem that they wanted everyone to see how pious they were. Isn’t that why Jesus said when you fast keep yourself well groomed so that no one can tell you’re fasting, or to go to an inner room and pray in private. It seems to me that Jesus was saying to put our focus on God and not draw attention to ourselves. I don’t know, maybe I’m not smart enough to figure it out. 🤷
Their problem went deeper than that. They also actually believed themselves to be holy because they thought that holiness consisted in the practicing the externals. Don’t get me wrong, externals are important, but one always has to be careful to make the distinction between externals and the real interior disposition of someones soul. Which distinction the Pharisees failed to make.
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