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Caelicola
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I’m not at all surprised by the rain stick comment. Based on what little I know about the area I’d recommend St. Mary’s in Chehalis. Hopefully that will approximate for what you’re looking for. If not, there is no alternative that I am aware of that doesn’t involve lots of driving.
I could get you in communication with orthodox Catholics in the area if you so desire…
Personally I do not support parish-shopping but it’s hard not to be sympathetic to converts.
I could get you in communication with orthodox Catholics in the area if you so desire…
Personally I do not support parish-shopping but it’s hard not to be sympathetic to converts.
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AWall
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WOW!!! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I really appreciate it. The St. Thomas site has a LOT of info. And I loved this…
*Please take a moment to review *“Mass Etiquette & Attire” *below. And don’t forget that Father Lappe got us a mighty-nice air conditioning system last year assuring that no one passes out or drops dead on account of wearing too many clothes. *
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There is a lot of good stuff to read on the sites you provided. Once again, thanks!
Andrea
PS, I think the founder of Centralia, WA named it after Centralia, IL. (If I remember right).
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AWall
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Thanks for the suggestion. We haven’t tried St. Mary’s yet, mainly because Mass starts at 8:30 am, and that’s awfully early for getting the kids up and going. Maybe we’ll try on a Sat. We’re not against driving, but don’t want to go too far out so that we can still be involved in the church.
Andrea
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stargazer257
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Seattle Diocese eh?
I’m from the east side of the state an visit the wet, er west side on occasion and feel your pain. I’ve experienced see-through chalices, standing during the Eucharistic prayer (when kneelers were present), etc. and such. But I have seen other signs of hope. I was suprised at the entire congregation at one west side parish bowing (with me) during the Nicene Creed. That surprised me.
So have hope, and lead by good example.
God Bless,
SG257
I’m from the east side of the state an visit the wet, er west side on occasion and feel your pain. I’ve experienced see-through chalices, standing during the Eucharistic prayer (when kneelers were present), etc. and such. But I have seen other signs of hope. I was suprised at the entire congregation at one west side parish bowing (with me) during the Nicene Creed. That surprised me.
So have hope, and lead by good example.
God Bless,
SG257
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katy
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I wish I’d had you guys in the early '90’s when I gave up on the Church for a long time due to some of the goofy things mentioned here. I finally came back ready to bear that stuff as a cross and to my relief found a parish that has both a reverent English Mass and TLM as well.
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Al_Masetti
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I just stumbled into this thread. Gosh, looks like I have found a bunch of people who think the same way that I do!!
I have found that Daily Masses tend to be more … politically incorrect … [right word??] and more properly oriented to the correct rubrics than Sunday Mass. Sunday Mass seems to have been turned into a form of entertainment. So for years I willingly suffered through Sunday Mass and offered up my suffering. And for the “pleasure” of participating in a more “rigorous” Mass, I would go to daily Mass. The priest has to get people in and out, because they need to get back to work. And he isn’t under pressure to be an entertainer. The daily homilies are meat and potatoes. And once you get to know the priests you can ask them questions before Mass and they may (if they are knowledgeable) weave an answer into their brief and pithy (always wanted to use that word) homiies.
Daily Mass is also a great way to meet like-minded people. In fact, that is eventually how I got “volunteered” into doing Communion Services. [After years of daily Mass, I started at a new church near a new job and the one priest was on the hook to say about 20 Masses a week. Really short handed. ETC, ETC, ETC.]
RCIA has me puzzled somewhat. BEFORE the Church started up the RCIA programs, it was sort of normal for each pastor to bring in 50 or 100 new Catholics into the Church each year.
Then… I don’t know the year … when they started with coloring at Sunday School and making banners for the church … they started RCIA and it seems that they BRAG about bringing in six new Catholics.
There is a disconnect in there somewhere.
Hope I explained this ok. Haven’t my second cup of coffee yet this Saturday morning.
Anyway, my advice FWIW, complete the RCIA program and then embark on a program of active self-education. Catholic Answers is super because they have re-published a lot of Catholic “reference” books. On a semi-secular level, visit Human Events on-line and subscribe to the paper copy; it reads as if it were written by serious Catholics. And also subscribe to the Wanderer. Also Accuracy in Media.
But there I go AGAIN!!
It took me years to find out about these publications and organizations.
What an odyssey!!!
Too bad it has to take so much effort to find the Truth.
I have found that Daily Masses tend to be more … politically incorrect … [right word??] and more properly oriented to the correct rubrics than Sunday Mass. Sunday Mass seems to have been turned into a form of entertainment. So for years I willingly suffered through Sunday Mass and offered up my suffering. And for the “pleasure” of participating in a more “rigorous” Mass, I would go to daily Mass. The priest has to get people in and out, because they need to get back to work. And he isn’t under pressure to be an entertainer. The daily homilies are meat and potatoes. And once you get to know the priests you can ask them questions before Mass and they may (if they are knowledgeable) weave an answer into their brief and pithy (always wanted to use that word) homiies.
Daily Mass is also a great way to meet like-minded people. In fact, that is eventually how I got “volunteered” into doing Communion Services. [After years of daily Mass, I started at a new church near a new job and the one priest was on the hook to say about 20 Masses a week. Really short handed. ETC, ETC, ETC.]
RCIA has me puzzled somewhat. BEFORE the Church started up the RCIA programs, it was sort of normal for each pastor to bring in 50 or 100 new Catholics into the Church each year.
Then… I don’t know the year … when they started with coloring at Sunday School and making banners for the church … they started RCIA and it seems that they BRAG about bringing in six new Catholics.
There is a disconnect in there somewhere.
Hope I explained this ok. Haven’t my second cup of coffee yet this Saturday morning.
Anyway, my advice FWIW, complete the RCIA program and then embark on a program of active self-education. Catholic Answers is super because they have re-published a lot of Catholic “reference” books. On a semi-secular level, visit Human Events on-line and subscribe to the paper copy; it reads as if it were written by serious Catholics. And also subscribe to the Wanderer. Also Accuracy in Media.
But there I go AGAIN!!
It took me years to find out about these publications and organizations.
What an odyssey!!!
Too bad it has to take so much effort to find the Truth.
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OutinChgoburbs
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AWall said:
Glad to be of service. yes, I liked St. Thomas, too.
PS, I think the founder of Centralia, WA named it after Centralia, IL. (If I remember right).
Well, that explains it then…
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BayCityRickL
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Lots of subthreads here.
The originator seemed to bemoan a certain letdown about the local Mass not being like EWTN.
Mother Angelica used to talk about liturgical abuses a lot more, and you may notice that Fr. Pacwa doesn’t go “below the line” so much. Well, he doesn’t have a show oriented like the old Tuesday one-on-one show with Mother Angelica.
Yeah, I’m not surprised to hear of people being letdown by SOMETHING after they enter the Church. For example, the converts who talk on Marcus Grodi’s program, what is it? Coming Home (?) who are so Bible-oriented must just about crash and burn when they see the dirth of Bible discussion groups in the American Catholic Church, or at their superficiality. They usually come in as Bible experts, because Catholics just don’t get that excited about the Bible.
Maybe that’s the basis for a new thread, altogether. Hmmm…
The originator seemed to bemoan a certain letdown about the local Mass not being like EWTN.
Mother Angelica used to talk about liturgical abuses a lot more, and you may notice that Fr. Pacwa doesn’t go “below the line” so much. Well, he doesn’t have a show oriented like the old Tuesday one-on-one show with Mother Angelica.
Yeah, I’m not surprised to hear of people being letdown by SOMETHING after they enter the Church. For example, the converts who talk on Marcus Grodi’s program, what is it? Coming Home (?) who are so Bible-oriented must just about crash and burn when they see the dirth of Bible discussion groups in the American Catholic Church, or at their superficiality. They usually come in as Bible experts, because Catholics just don’t get that excited about the Bible.
Maybe that’s the basis for a new thread, altogether. Hmmm…
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Paris_Blues
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LOL! That’s what I thought when attending Mass at my parish plus watching EWTN everysingle day for a year!
Whenever I saw the priest do something, I thought it was “wrong” and thought, hey! EWTN does it this way! LOL!!!
We should tell our priests and parishes to watch Daily Mass on EWTN!
Maybe THAT’S WHY I feel so attracted to the Daily Mass at EWTN? I also recognize the people there in the pews more than at my parish! LOL! Not to mention EWTN’s Mass parish is small …
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BayCityRickL
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Hi, my second post here.
All we can say is, stick with it. I don’t like guitars as much as I do pipe organs. But, I have to admit that the psalms, for example, have instructions that say stuff like “for the string instruments.”
I’m sure the sound is much different today from the time of those Jewish stringed instruments. Focus on the Mass and don’t sweat the small stuff.
All we can say is, stick with it. I don’t like guitars as much as I do pipe organs. But, I have to admit that the psalms, for example, have instructions that say stuff like “for the string instruments.”
I’m sure the sound is much different today from the time of those Jewish stringed instruments. Focus on the Mass and don’t sweat the small stuff.
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palmas85
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Wecome to the church!!! Glad to have you home where you belong 
I agree EWTN generally presents on a very reverent Novus Ordo Mass.
I regularly attend both Novus Ordo, during the week at my local parish and Traditional Mass on Sundays and Holy days of Obligation., at the cemetary chapel where the indult mass is celebrated here in San Diego. That makes me kind of an anomaly around here. Most folks attend one type or the other and have distinct views on why their own particular mass is superior. I too feel that the Traditional Mass is on the whole a more reverent, solemn and religious event than the Novus Ordo, but I accept the Novus Ordo, and have never questioned it’s validity, even back in the 80’s in South Texas :bigyikes: Every now and then, due to work commitments, I have to attend Sunday Mass at my parish.
The differences between the weekday Novus Ordo Masses and the Sunday Novus Ordo are simply tremendous. The weekday masses are much more reverent, the confeitor is said, at times the Kyrie, in Greek, no extraordinary ministers of communion, no handholding during the Our Father, the majority of the congregation receive on the tongue, and a rosary is said after Mass every day. There are usually around 100 or so in the congregation for these weekday masses. the Sunday masses though are distinctly disappointing. At times they are absolutely no different then a Baptist revival meeting. However, the Mass is the Mass.
I think the major problem is a lack of proper catechisis, people just don’t know what is correct and not. The second problem is the culture we live in that exalts man over God, and puts personal satisfaction and fulfillment as the primary goal of life.
My advice is to see the EWTN Mass for what it is, and where it is from. Even in the old days the Traditional Mass was much more reverently celebrated in Monasteries and chapels of the various religious orders. See how reverent and beautiful the Mass can be.
Don’t ever forget, the outward trappings of the Mass are just that, the outward trappings. What really matters, is the reverence, the belief and the worship that you bring to it Stick with it, don’t lose hope or faith and pray daily, that makes a huge difference in things. I know that many no longer do this but get a Rosary, have it blessed, and learn to pray it. It really does make a remarkable difference in the way that you see things, and is a beautiful way to pray. Just my opinion. oh and by the way it also makes the Blessed Mother happy
I agree EWTN generally presents on a very reverent Novus Ordo Mass.I regularly attend both Novus Ordo, during the week at my local parish and Traditional Mass on Sundays and Holy days of Obligation., at the cemetary chapel where the indult mass is celebrated here in San Diego. That makes me kind of an anomaly around here. Most folks attend one type or the other and have distinct views on why their own particular mass is superior. I too feel that the Traditional Mass is on the whole a more reverent, solemn and religious event than the Novus Ordo, but I accept the Novus Ordo, and have never questioned it’s validity, even back in the 80’s in South Texas :bigyikes: Every now and then, due to work commitments, I have to attend Sunday Mass at my parish.
The differences between the weekday Novus Ordo Masses and the Sunday Novus Ordo are simply tremendous. The weekday masses are much more reverent, the confeitor is said, at times the Kyrie, in Greek, no extraordinary ministers of communion, no handholding during the Our Father, the majority of the congregation receive on the tongue, and a rosary is said after Mass every day. There are usually around 100 or so in the congregation for these weekday masses. the Sunday masses though are distinctly disappointing. At times they are absolutely no different then a Baptist revival meeting. However, the Mass is the Mass.
I think the major problem is a lack of proper catechisis, people just don’t know what is correct and not. The second problem is the culture we live in that exalts man over God, and puts personal satisfaction and fulfillment as the primary goal of life.
My advice is to see the EWTN Mass for what it is, and where it is from. Even in the old days the Traditional Mass was much more reverently celebrated in Monasteries and chapels of the various religious orders. See how reverent and beautiful the Mass can be.
Don’t ever forget, the outward trappings of the Mass are just that, the outward trappings. What really matters, is the reverence, the belief and the worship that you bring to it Stick with it, don’t lose hope or faith and pray daily, that makes a huge difference in things. I know that many no longer do this but get a Rosary, have it blessed, and learn to pray it. It really does make a remarkable difference in the way that you see things, and is a beautiful way to pray. Just my opinion. oh and by the way it also makes the Blessed Mother happy
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Lux_et_veritas
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Awall - I’ve been “standing it” for 42 out of 43 years and never knew there were a few solid orthodox, and traditional parishes very close to me. I would float around 7 parishes within a few miles of my home and then found an oasis in Assumption Grotto in Detroit - a traditional and orthodox parish.
When we use the word orthodox in reference to something Catholic, it simply means (at least to me), that the culture and priests of the parish are inclined to follow the Holy See, as opposed to being inclined to challenge the Holy See. The latter position is what I believe to be progressive.
There are orthodox parishes that are traditional and contemporary. Most traditional parishes are not likely to offer folk music, or if they do, it is reserved and the song content is solid, not new age, or sounding as if it belongs in a protestant church by the words it uses.
It simply takes exploring your area and visiting many parishes over weeks, months, or years. Make sure your diocese does not require that you attend the geographical parish. Mine does not. If they did, I don’t know that one parish in the city would be left open because there are few Catholics left in many neighborhoods. We are permitted to go where we are comfortable.
I would encourage you to finish your RCIA, but take the time to read a solid, orthodox catechism that will teach you what you truly need to know (hit the links in this paragraph). The new Compendium coming out would be top on the list this January. Secondary to that is any of the works of Fr. John A. Hardon, especially his Catechism. He has pocket version, Q & A versions, and a more indepth version which I believe to be a resource every serious Catholic should have. He was an orthodox theologian who backed Mother Church up in all of her teachings and his catechisms are very true to the faith and complete.
If your parish is really big into people bringing rainsticks, I would be very surprised if your catechism is complete and fully orthodox. I wish I could recall the diocese that was big on this. Seems to me it was a bishop promoting it.
However, nothing prevents you from reading better material on your own. We can give you much insight here, as well. If you are troubled with something, make a post and we can give you proper responses and if there is wide disagreement with people here, go to “Ask an Apologist” to get the Church’s position.
BTW - Welcome home!
When we use the word orthodox in reference to something Catholic, it simply means (at least to me), that the culture and priests of the parish are inclined to follow the Holy See, as opposed to being inclined to challenge the Holy See. The latter position is what I believe to be progressive.
There are orthodox parishes that are traditional and contemporary. Most traditional parishes are not likely to offer folk music, or if they do, it is reserved and the song content is solid, not new age, or sounding as if it belongs in a protestant church by the words it uses.
It simply takes exploring your area and visiting many parishes over weeks, months, or years. Make sure your diocese does not require that you attend the geographical parish. Mine does not. If they did, I don’t know that one parish in the city would be left open because there are few Catholics left in many neighborhoods. We are permitted to go where we are comfortable.
I would encourage you to finish your RCIA, but take the time to read a solid, orthodox catechism that will teach you what you truly need to know (hit the links in this paragraph). The new Compendium coming out would be top on the list this January. Secondary to that is any of the works of Fr. John A. Hardon, especially his Catechism. He has pocket version, Q & A versions, and a more indepth version which I believe to be a resource every serious Catholic should have. He was an orthodox theologian who backed Mother Church up in all of her teachings and his catechisms are very true to the faith and complete.
If your parish is really big into people bringing rainsticks, I would be very surprised if your catechism is complete and fully orthodox. I wish I could recall the diocese that was big on this. Seems to me it was a bishop promoting it.
However, nothing prevents you from reading better material on your own. We can give you much insight here, as well. If you are troubled with something, make a post and we can give you proper responses and if there is wide disagreement with people here, go to “Ask an Apologist” to get the Church’s position.
BTW - Welcome home!
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Jabronie
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Al Masetti:
You are so right about daily Mass. I leave daily Mass with a smile on face, full of the grace of Christ. Then I go to Sunday Mass and kicked on the leg by the screaming kid next to and have to put up with people chatting, banging drums, holding hands, you name it. I either go really early Sunday or to the Saturday night Mass, just to keep my cool.
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jdlgolfs
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I’m a recent convert and the three Catholic churches in my area all recite the Creed differenlty - one seems to add things from the Apostolic Creed not usually found in the Nicene. Can you direct me to a site online that has it posted as it is supposed to said durning Mass? Thanks!!
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katy
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I don’t know a link, but it should be in your missallettes. OR, if your parish doesn’t have them, surely one of the parishes you have visited does. The translations should all be the same. Hope that helps.
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AWall
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Hi there! I just want to say thanks for all the kind words of support and welcome in this thread, and all the links provided to follow up with orthodox reading material. I really appreciate it.
We most definitely are going to finish RCIA, we love the Catholic Church and her teachings. Our Rite of Acceptance is Sunday! We are praying that we will be able to get some things started (or brought back) once we are “official”, like getting groups together to recite the rosary or mercy chaplet on a regular basis, or having a traditional hymn now and then.
Anyway-thanks again everyone for all the information and encouragement!
Andrea
We most definitely are going to finish RCIA, we love the Catholic Church and her teachings. Our Rite of Acceptance is Sunday! We are praying that we will be able to get some things started (or brought back) once we are “official”, like getting groups together to recite the rosary or mercy chaplet on a regular basis, or having a traditional hymn now and then.
Anyway-thanks again everyone for all the information and encouragement!
Andrea
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LeahInancsi
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It’s unfortunate that your parish isn’t following the GIRM. The only thing my parish priests to that they shouldn’t, but I love, is stepping off of the pulpit for the Homily.
As for ETWN, I love it. It has only enchanced what I’m learning in RCIA. Since we only have two hours of class time a week, it’s nice to be able to watch ETWN for hours between RCIA classes.
If you’re really dissatisfied, you might try a different parish for a few weeks. If the diocese doesn’t like you changing parishes, tell them your problem and refuse to move until the problem is corrected.
BTW, my RCIA instruction is excellent. I couldn’t as for a better instructor. He has a masters degree is theology from Franciscan University and, for a time, studied for the priesthood.
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