I wish all Baptisms were explained like this one!

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i couldn’t hear him at the beginning were do babies go if they die not baptized?
 
That was a great video but I wanted to point out a few things:
  1. He said that if the baby were to die now, she wouldn’t be able to see the Blessed Trinity. The Church says unbaptized babies could go to Heaven, through God’s mercy.
  2. Limbo isn’t Church doctrine
Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary,
Tony
 
Well, Father is a Traditional Roman Catholic priest, so he was giving the standard view from before Vatican II, which is that unbaptized babies are assumed to go to limbo.
 
Well, Father is a Traditional Roman Catholic priest, so he was giving the standard view from before Vatican II, which is that unbaptized babies are assumed to go to limbo.
That was only the opinion of some theologians, not dogma.
 
That was only the opinion of some theologians, not dogma.
However, just as it was opinion that unbaptized babies go to Limbo and not Heaven, it could also be opinion that they automatically go to Heaven.The Church does not seem to have ruled one way or the other.
 
Or they could go to hell. That was Augustine’s opinion.
There is definite uncertainty, we do not know either way, but this possibility is exactly why we should not delay baptism. Some of my protestant friends, believing it is only symbolic, are not baptizing their children. Without even knowing it they are putting them at risk. 😦
 
They’ve also done nothing right. Being little doesn’t make you a saint.
Interesting. Can you point out where he said this? I’d love to go read the entire context. (Not that I don’t trust you, I’m just curious.)
 
I know what I believe, but that doesn’t make it church doctrine ('till I’m pope AND the Holy Spirit gives me the necessary inspiration)

I think they are given and infused knowledge of good and evil. Then they make a choice. That way the just judge Jesus Christ can base his judgement, as He did for the angles, on a choice they made using their free will. I always pray for the unborn/unbaptized. Only with this understanding can I see my prayers having any effect.

By the way. Limbo was considered the high rent district of Hell. SO if they go to Limbo, they go to Hell.
 
Interesting. Can you point out where he said this? I’d love to go read the entire context. (Not that I don’t trust you, I’m just curious.)
I don’t think Augustine every said “Being little doesn’t make you a saint”. I have to claim that as my own 😛
 
I like when he says there is a “sense of the faith” instilled by the baptism. I fully believe that as I strayed from Catholicism and even from Christianity in general but now have come back. God is faithful even when we are not.
 
Concerning augustine and the fate of the unbaptized:

See

newadvent.org/fathers/15011.htm

On Merit and the Forgiveness of Sins, and the Baptism of Infants (Book I)
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Chapter 21 [XVI.]— Unbaptized Infants Damned, But Most Lightly; The Penalty of Adam’s Sin, the Grace of His Body Lost.**

It may therefore be correctly affirmed, that such infants as quit the body without being baptized will be involved in the mildest condemnation of all. That person, therefore, greatly deceives both himself and others, who teaches that they will not be involved in condemnation; whereas the apostle says: “Judgment from one offense to condemnation,” Romans 5:16 and again a little after: “By the offense of one upon all persons to condemnation.” Romans 5:18 When, indeed, Adam sinned by not obeying God, then his body— although it was a natural and mortal body— lost the grace whereby it used in every part of it to be obedient to the soul. Then there arose in men affections common to the brutes which are productive of shame, and which made man ashamed of his own nakedness. Genesis 3:10 Then also, by a certain disease which was conceived in men from a suddenly injected and pestilential corruption, it was brought about that they lost that stability of life in which they were created, and, by reason of the mutations which they experienced in the stages of life, issued at last in death. However many were the years they lived in their subsequent life, yet they began to die on the day when they received the law of death, because they kept verging towards old age. For that possesses not even a moment’s stability, but glides away without intermission, which by constant change perceptibly advances to an end which does not produce perfection, but utter exhaustion. Thus, then, was fulfilled what God had spoken: “In the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die.” Genesis 2:17 As a consequence, then, of this disobedience of the flesh and this law of sin and death, whoever is born of the flesh has need of spiritual regeneration— not only that he may reach the kingdom of God, but also that he may be freed from the damnation of sin.
 
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