I'd quite like to keep the rainbow, actually.

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I’m getting a little upset at all the “taking our rainbow back” bs on here…first of all, you can be a heterosexual lover of rainbows, it’s not against the law.

and second of all, being a bisexual woman who is not afraid to talk about her sexuality, I would like to know why I shouldn’t be allowed to wear some rainbow parephenalia.

mind you, i don’t, but if I wanted to, why shouldn’t I?
 
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bluedylan05:
…and second of all, being a bisexual woman who is not afraid to talk about her sexuality, I would like to know why I shouldn’t be allowed to wear some rainbow parephenalia.
…not sure many here will be interested in the gory details, with or without a rainbow outfit, thanks anyway.
 
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bluedylan05:
I’m getting a little upset at all the “taking our rainbow back” bs on here…first of all, you can be a heterosexual lover of rainbows, it’s not against the law.

and second of all, being a bisexual woman who is not afraid to talk about her sexuality, I would like to know why I shouldn’t be allowed to wear some rainbow parephenalia.

mind you, i don’t, but if I wanted to, why shouldn’t I?
Oh my, and your profile says you are an atheist. Which raises the question of why a bisexual atheist is visiting Catholic Answers forums. Care to share?
 
oook…first of all i’d prefer if any kind of expression of love wasn’t referred to as “gory details” and I had no intention of talking about it with any of you.

I’m entitled to my own religion. and as far as why i’m on here, hey…i try and get my kicks where I can. and you know, i am going to burn in eternal hellfire, so if I can be converted, why not?
 
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and as far as why i’m on here, hey…i try and get my kicks where I can. and you know, i am going to burn in eternal hellfire, so if I can be converted, why not?
:confused: huh?
 
I mean, you’re all catholics or something of the sort, right? and i’m going to burn in hell. seriously. i am. shouldn’t i be saved or something? yeesh.
 
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bluedylan05:
I mean, you’re all catholics or something of the sort, right?
Yes, most (but not all) of us are Catholics.
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and i’m going to burn in hell. seriously. i am.
Not necessarily. Only God knows for sure, and you certainly can do your part to change the outcome.
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shouldn’t i be saved or something? yeesh.
Certainly, saving yourself from going to hell would be a good thing. Want to learn about the Catholic Church and convert? It’s a great place to be! 😃
 
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I mean, you’re all catholics or something of the sort, right? and i’m going to burn in hell. seriously. i am. shouldn’t i be saved or something? yeesh.
We’re trying to figure out how serious you are.

We’re all for serious debate, conversations, etc but we don’t care to be ridiculed.

We care a lot about people. Where would you place yourself in conversation? Serious or out to have a good time?
 
You get your kicks in some strange ways, lady. What’s next…throwing sand in the eyes of some neighbor kids riding their bikes? Perhaps you can take your bitter baiting to another site, say the Left-Handed Lesbians for Equal Rights?
 
Look, I’m not trying to ridicule you. I really do enjoy a good debate, and I’m a little confused/uninformed about some of your beliefs to begin with. This isn’t “bitter baiting” or whatever, and hey, I might be a member of the left-handed lesbians…

ok. that was a joke.
 
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bluedylan05:
being a bisexual woman who is not afraid to talk about her sexuality, I would like to know why I shouldn’t be allowed to wear some rainbow parephenalia.
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hey…i try and get my kicks where I can.
I see.

Well, to answer your question, the Rainbow was used as a sign of God’s covenant with Noah. I’m sure someone has an article they can link to about it. It has nothing to do with sexuality.

I do not believe that anyone talking about “taking back the rainbow” is in any way trying to limit your clothing choices. The point, as I understand it, is to take the focus off of the GLBT community and their usage of this symbolism and put the symbolism of God’s covenant with man in the fore-front of the mind again.

As I am sure you can agree, the GLBT community gets a pretty bad rap from the extremes that put on the parades in places like San Fransisco. I know several gay people (mostly men) who abhor this media image of the GLBT community. The people who participate, however, feel there is no other way. They want noble things: to love and be loved, to have a family, to go to work every day, to play ball on the weekends… They are instead ridiculed and mocked and in some instances beaten or killed. They band together in a community where they feel supported and they provide that support and encouragement for each other. In order to rebel against the culture who has made them outcasts, they flaunt their sexuality as a way of showing that they are secure in who they are. The ones who get TV time are the ones who go to the extreme. They then become the ones who others flock to, so that they can feel as proud and sure of themselves in a society where they are constantly on edge. I do not know why the GLBT community picked up on the rainbow as a symbol of their sexuality. (Not sure why trans-gendered are grouped in there, either. They identify more with feminism. Nonetheless…) But the people here who are using the line in their signature are doing the same thing (but in a much more moderate way) as the GLBT community does with parades. They are rebelling against a society that immediately makes them outcasts because they have noble goals. I am sure you can relate to that.

I can understand how you feel the Christian community is the most hypocritical of them all, preaching love and family while being the most vicious when it comes to the GLBT community. I assure you that Catholicism in no way condones this behavior. As a matter of fact, we get much of the same condemnation from our Protestant brothers. After all, we allow drinking. And dancing. And smoking. And gambling. And we do not hate homosexuals, trans-gendered, or bisexuals. We have support groups within the church for the GLBT community. (And no, it isn’t a “conversion group” either trying to make you un-gay or something.) We recognize the hardships and the stigma you endure and that you did not choose this cross to bear.

We also are able to distinguish the difference between a pedophile (a person who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children), an ephebophile (a person who is sexually attracted to adolescents and whose sexuoerotic age is discordant with his or her actual chronological age and is concordant with the age of the partner), and a homosexual (a person attracted to those of the same sex, but within acceptable societal norms on age)–which our current media do not seem to be able to tell a difference between.

I know you are an atheist, but it also might help you to know where we are coming from if you read an encyclical by Pope John Paul II. (Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Would this be Humana Vitae that discusses human sexuality?)

I hope you stick around Bluedylan!
 
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oook…first of all i’d prefer if any kind of expression of love wasn’t referred to as “gory details” and I had no intention of talking about it with any of you.
Thank you very much.
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bluedylan05:
I’m entitled to my own religion.
Is atheism a religion?
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and as far as why i’m on here, hey…i try and get my kicks where I can.
I believe you have already made that clear.
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and you know, i am going to burn in eternal hellfire, so if I can be converted, why not?
Well, the burning in hellfire thing is between you and God. If you would like to be converted, take a look around. If you are here just to make waves, people will quickly grow tired of it.

We get plenty of people here who breeze in and out, taking swipes at Catholicism or baiting others as they go. Thus some of us, myself included, tend to be quite guarded when posts such as yours show up.
 
wow, it’s really refreshing to hear someone who’s so open-minded. i know i can wear whatever i want, but i just felt like the “taking back the rainbow” thing was stupid because…well because anyone can wear whatever they want. thanks for the thoughtful post. 🙂
 
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wow, it’s really refreshing to hear someone who’s so open-minded. i know i can wear whatever i want, but i just felt like the “taking back the rainbow” thing was stupid because…well because anyone can wear whatever they want. thanks for the thoughtful post. 🙂
Good luck with your search. I wish you well.

Sue
 
severinus:

YES, atheism is a religion. by saying I’m an atheist I just mean I don’t believe in god…I am a very spiritual person. I believe in reincarnation, I believe in one supreme force and I believe that prayers can be answered.

and if someone disagrees with you, deal with it. if i want to take a “swipe” at your religion, that’s my right. it’s not against the rules, i think. and if it is, i don’t care.
 
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severinus:

YES, atheism is a religion. by saying I’m an atheist I just mean I don’t believe in god…I am a very spiritual person. I believe in reincarnation, I believe in one supreme force and I believe that prayers can be answered.

and if someone disagrees with you, deal with it. if i want to take a “swipe” at your religion, that’s my right. it’s not against the rules, i think. and if it is, i don’t care.
  1. What is a “supreme force” that answers prayers if not God?
  2. I have no problem dealing with those who disagree with me; my issue is with those who show up to take uninformed pot-shots at the Faith.
  3. Thank you for revealing your intentions about taking ‘swipes’ and about “following the rules.”
I have no intention of playing in your sandbox anymore. Your purposes in coming here are already quite clear.

Ave atque vale et pax tecum.
 
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