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Starwynd
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Would we know how to love?
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Michael_David
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Why not? Since God is love and He made Adam/Eve in His image, wouldn’t they too be able to Love? And wouldn’t Cain and Able and Seth have also inherited it?
Is it love that underlies obedience? Willingly? Or fear? Unwillingly? And where would the fear come from if Adam/Eve did not sin?
I believe love would of been the ‘natural’ characteristic… prior to the sin.
Is it love that underlies obedience? Willingly? Or fear? Unwillingly? And where would the fear come from if Adam/Eve did not sin?
I believe love would of been the ‘natural’ characteristic… prior to the sin.
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Katholish
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Absolutely.
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chworkman05
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Yes. All that was known before the fall was good. Is love not good?
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Tantum_ergo
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What a strange question. . .
All I can think is that you have somehow gotten the idea that because God sent His Son to save us, in an act of supreme love, that this was somehow ‘the best’ love and if Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned, we wouldn’t have gotten this ‘best’ love.
But remember, before the Fall, God (who is love) walked and talked with Adam and Eve. He loved them totally. He did not suddenly love them (or us) ‘more’ when we sinned. . .He has always loved us to infinite capacity, it doesn’t get ‘greater’ or ‘lesser’. So we would have had the same ‘infinite’ love as Adam and Eve did before the Fall. . .and we would not have the misery of sin.
All I can think is that you have somehow gotten the idea that because God sent His Son to save us, in an act of supreme love, that this was somehow ‘the best’ love and if Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned, we wouldn’t have gotten this ‘best’ love.
But remember, before the Fall, God (who is love) walked and talked with Adam and Eve. He loved them totally. He did not suddenly love them (or us) ‘more’ when we sinned. . .He has always loved us to infinite capacity, it doesn’t get ‘greater’ or ‘lesser’. So we would have had the same ‘infinite’ love as Adam and Eve did before the Fall. . .and we would not have the misery of sin.
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Starwynd
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I like to dwell on what ifs, what the world would be like if different choices had been made. like if we would still develop the society we have, at least in terms of technological acheivements and if there’d be such strife in the world. And so on.
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Tantum_ergo
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It sounds to me as if you are actually hovering around the idea of thinking that humanity almost ‘needed’ to sin in order to ‘achieve.’
That you thought that it was somehow more ‘loving’ of God to save us, so it was ‘better’ for us that we sinned.
That we had to develop machines and technology because we were ‘exiled’ from paradise. In paradise, Adam and Eve did not have to ‘work’; here, man ‘eats by the sweat of his brow’ and so those who ‘work smart’ do better.
But again, turn it around. What you are speaking of is ‘human achievement’, as if yay for us, just look at how wonderful and creative we are, and if Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned, wouldn’t humanity be just sitting around the garden doing **nothing, **learning nothing, capable of nothing but just ‘blind obedience’ to God’s will.
But if humanity had never sinned, we would have so much ‘more’ than ‘human achievement’ (so often achieved at the expense of the dignity and even the lives of other human beings). We can’t even begin to imagine how much more. Think, for example, of Jesus. Jesus is not only true God, but true man. Think of what it could have been like for all beings to have the ‘humanity’ of Christ–to be constantly and freely choosing to do nothing but God’s will instead of doing evil. . .and imagine a society of such beings. . .and ‘human achievement’ in our history rather pales in comparison IMO.
That you thought that it was somehow more ‘loving’ of God to save us, so it was ‘better’ for us that we sinned.
That we had to develop machines and technology because we were ‘exiled’ from paradise. In paradise, Adam and Eve did not have to ‘work’; here, man ‘eats by the sweat of his brow’ and so those who ‘work smart’ do better.
But again, turn it around. What you are speaking of is ‘human achievement’, as if yay for us, just look at how wonderful and creative we are, and if Adam and Eve hadn’t sinned, wouldn’t humanity be just sitting around the garden doing **nothing, **learning nothing, capable of nothing but just ‘blind obedience’ to God’s will.
But if humanity had never sinned, we would have so much ‘more’ than ‘human achievement’ (so often achieved at the expense of the dignity and even the lives of other human beings). We can’t even begin to imagine how much more. Think, for example, of Jesus. Jesus is not only true God, but true man. Think of what it could have been like for all beings to have the ‘humanity’ of Christ–to be constantly and freely choosing to do nothing but God’s will instead of doing evil. . .and imagine a society of such beings. . .and ‘human achievement’ in our history rather pales in comparison IMO.
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teachccd
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Were they not made in the image and likeness of God whose very essence is love? Maybe we would have never known how to hate…
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chworkman05
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You are definatly on track.Were they not made in the image and likeness of God whose very essence is love? Maybe we would have never known how to hate…
All that was known is good. So the only reason when Eve and Adam listened to the serprent was to know what evil was.
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jmcrae
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Yes. Why on earth not?
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