If God didn't create HELL or EVIL, but permitted it, how

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…but it is clear from Scriptures that Satan and his minions will also be tortured… do you recall the passage where a demon asks something to the effect: ‘…why have you come to torment us before time?’

Maran atha!

Angel
Thanks for bringing us back to scripture, I noticed that about your posts.

You did bring up the scripture that God has prepared a place for us in hell…but i didn’t do the research on the Greek context of the word PREPARED Matthew 25:41 and its surrounding usage. I am not sure yet it means God created hell. The Catholic.com Michelle said God didn’t create hell… THANKS FOR THE INSIGHTS!

Brian
 
Thanks for bringing us back to scripture, I noticed that about your posts.

You did bring up the scripture that God has prepared a place for us in hell…but i didn’t do the research on the Greek context of the word PREPARED Matthew 25:41 and its surrounding usage. I am not sure yet it means God created hell. The Catholic.com Michelle said God didn’t create hell… THANKS FOR THE INSIGHTS!

Brian
…actually Scriptures states it this way:
41 Then he will say to those on his left hand, "Go away from me, with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (St. Matthew 25:41)
…granted, anyone can speculate as to what the passage actually means… but I doubt very much that any serious consideration can be given to “eternal fire” not meaning hell (conversely, ditto the lake of fire where the worm never dies)–that place of pain and torment; and as far as Creation… how can anyone other than God have the Power to Create?

Clearly, the Creation of hell does not mean that God Created evil; hell is simply a place where God’s Wrath would meet the father of lies (and his minions, both angels and humans), that ancient murderer and evil spiritual being.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, If God didn’t create HELL or EVIL, but permitted it, how can we be said to create the physical place of hell?

Evil is that which is lacking the fullness of good (or that which is good, God). Here is what Saint Faustina says: divinemercysunday.com/vision.htm

I haven’t read it, but I head the children of Fatima were also shown hell, or Mother Mary told them about it or something…

I am talking to a Muslim friend who says they can get out of hell after serving time there (Islam seems to teach that theory), and cannot seem to get across the message of God’s perfect justice which is eternal. I also mentioned the above, but Muslims seem to say God created hell.

Thanks for your scholarly help in advance!
God did create Hell for Lucifer and his gang of rebellious angels. God is in control of everything seen or unseen.
 
An early church writer put it this way:

to understand the distinction between the devil and evil, God created the spirits we call devils. They became devils by using their free will to oppose God’s commands.

The actual analogy used was murder. God created man but men became murderers by their the bad use of their free will.

“permitting” evil is the the same thing God did with all of us.
 
Full Question
If God created everything, then didn’t he create hell, too? If he created hell, then is hell good, since everything God created was good?
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Hell is primarily an eternal state of separation between God and those creatures—angels and humans—who have permanently chosen to reject him. God created free will, which is good, but hell is the result of the abuse of free will. God did not create hell; he only allowed for its possibility. Thus it cannot be said that hell is good.
catholic.com/quickquestions/did-god-create-hell

I am not sure if this comment above talks directly about the physical aspect of hell. God allowed for the possibility of sin (missing the mark by way of choosing that which is not good, evil) and sin’s consequence, spiritual and physical death in hell.

Still not sure if God created the physical place of hell or not.
 
Full Question
If God created everything, then didn’t he create hell, too? If he created hell, then is hell good, since everything God created was good?
Answer

Hell is primarily an eternal state of separation between God and those creatures—angels and humans—who have permanently chosen to reject him. God created free will, which is good, but hell is the result of the abuse of free will. God did not create hell; he only allowed for its possibility. Thus it cannot be said that hell is good.
catholic.com/quickquestions/did-god-create-hell

I am not sure if this comment above talks directly about the physical aspect of hell. God allowed for the possibility of sin (missing the mark by way of choosing that which is not good, evil) and sin’s consequence, spiritual and physical death in hell.

Still not sure if God created the physical place of hell or not.
…there’s nothing anyone can force another person to believe, short of torture and brainwashing–but even in those cases, the first would only yield what the toturer wants to hear… there’s no guarantee that the victim’s mind has been changed; the latter only demonstrates that humans have a finite ability and can be tricked or controlled to act as those in control have compelled them to do; hence, the mind has not been changed but altered (suppressed) and the victim, once normality resumes, would return to the original belief…

Scriptures tell us that Yahweh God (the Triune God) is the Creator of both the physical and the spiritual; consider that Creation was good and everything was good till Lucifer decided to usurp God’s Authority… Hell was not part of the original Creation; rather, it was a response to the devil’s challenge of God’s Authority… consider too that the Spirit is immortal hence a dwelling place had to be Created to confine Satan and his minions.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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