If God is omnipotent, then couldn't be create something more powerful than He?

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If God is omnipotent, and all powerful. Couldn’t he create something more greater than himself, such as an object or something?

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JD27076 said:
If God is omnipotent, and all powerful. Couldn’t he create something more greater than himself, such as an object or something?

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No. By definition something like that could not exist. It’s the same as asking if God could create a square circle. It’s meaningless.
 
God can do anything that is possible to do. Not even God can do what is not possible to do.

Creating an object which cannot be manipulated by an all-powerful force is impossible - such an object cannot possibly exist (just as square circles cannot possibly exist, as Gary pointed out).
 
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If God is omnipotent, and all powerful. Couldn’t he create something more greater than himself, such as an object or something?

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While this seems to be a classic question, it is a theoretical impossibility. Nothing is greater than God, an intrinsic impossibility. However, God has power over all intrinsic possibilities.

C.S. Lewis discusses this:
[God’s] Omnipotence means power to do all that is intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. You may attribute miracles to Him, but not nonsense. This is no limit to His power. If you choose to say ‘God can give a creature free will and at the same time withhold free will from it,’ you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix to them the two other words ‘God can.’ It remains true that all things are possible with God: the intrinsic impossibilities are not things but nonentities. It is no more possible for God than for the weakest of His creatures to carry out both of two mutually exclusive alternatives; not because His power meets an obstacle, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk it about God.
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(Unfortunately, I am not sure which text he wrote this in. I read it in a book that compiles readings from his writings, but it does not specify which reading is from which text.)

Essentially, God cannot create something bigger than himself because the idea is a nonentity. God cannot both be bigger than everything and yet make something bigger than himself. Just like Lewis’ example, God cannot give a creature free will and then withhold it at the same time. It is an intrinsic impossibility and therefore, as Lewis puts it, mere nonsense. Hope that makes sense. 🙂
 
JD27076 said:
If God is omnipotent, and all powerful. Couldn’t he create something more greater than himself, such as an object or something?

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Well then he wouldn’t be omnipotent would he
 
findingmyself08 said:
(Unfortunately, I am not sure which text he wrote this in. I read it in a book that compiles readings from his writings, but it does not specify which reading is from which text.)
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It was from his book The Problem of Pain
 
One example is evil actions. God, though omnipotent, is also the fullness of goodness, thus he cannot do anything that would fall short of infinite goodness.
 
Could an irresistable force move an immovable object? Hmm??? Anyone??? 🤷
 
Someone once asked me the old question " Can God create a rock so big that He can’t pick it up?" I answered yes, but He can also pick that rock up. 😃
 
God cannot contradict His nature. Logic, truth, love, and goodness flow from God. This would contradict logic.
rfournier103 said:
Could an irresistable force move an immovable object? Hmm??? Anyone??? 🤷
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Ah, I know how to take this one!

Philosophically the situation could never happen. As soon as you say “irresistible force” you are implying that for this force, no object is immovable. Otherwise, how can we say it is irresistible?

Likewise, as soon as you say “immovable object” you are implying that for this object, no force is irresistible. Otherwise, how can we say it is immovable?

As your idea finishes itself, it deconstructs. 😃
 
Equites_Christi said:
Ah, I know how to take this one!

Philosophically the situation could never happen. As soon as you say “irresistible force” you are implying that for this force, no object is immovable. Otherwise, how can we say it is irresistible?

Likewise, as soon as you say “immovable object” you are implying that for this object, no force is irresistible. Otherwise, how can we say it is immovable?

As your idea finishes itself, it deconstructs. 😃
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I think that’s the point:D
 
JD27076 said:
If God is omnipotent, and all powerful. Couldn’t he create something more greater than himself, such as an object or something?

Thanks!
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If God is all-powerful how could anything be more powerful?
 
::hmmm:Om(name removed by moderator)otent=All-Powerful God could create something allpowerful, but He still would be more powerful then the created thing becouse He is God.:knight2:
 
JD27076 said:
If God is omnipotent, and all powerful. Couldn’t he create something more greater than himself, such as an object or something?

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No. If nothing else it’s a logical contradiction; God is the thing than which nothing greater can be conceived.
Hunter24 said:
Well then he wouldn’t be omnipotent would he
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Let’s take a second to understand what Catholics mean by “omnipotent.” We mean “capable of actualizing every potentiality.” This comes to us straight from the First Cause/Unmoved Mover arguments.

Now a thing cannot be potential if it cannot be actual. If it cannot be potential, it is not actual, thus He cannot be capable of actualizing it, thus the ability to actualize it cannot be relevant to omnipotence.
 
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