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roymckenzie
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I received a Fathers day note form a gay person and it was full of nothing but hate and lies. Why are they so unhappy?
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Elizabeth_B
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Because true joy comes from God and not from the Prince of all Lies.
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Jennifer123
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Elizabeth B.:
There is a high rate of drug abuse, suicide, etc. Of course advocates would say that’s because of societal pressure.
They have a compulsion that’s highly addictive and very hard to remove oneself from. Include them in your prayers.
My opinion is that deep down inside they know they are doing something so very opposed to God’s will whether they believe in Him or not.
There is a high rate of drug abuse, suicide, etc. Of course advocates would say that’s because of societal pressure.
They have a compulsion that’s highly addictive and very hard to remove oneself from. Include them in your prayers.
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roymckenzie
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I put this in the culture of death forum due to homosexuality being so tied in with the culture of death. I do believe that by its very nature homosexuality deigns life ipso facto supports the death of the human race.
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puzzleannie
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I had 2 jobs in my past life which required me, or I should say gave me the opportunity, to work with the gay-lesbian community (as a social-political movement) and with large numbers individual men and women living homosexual lifestyles. In both these positions part of my job was recording and cataloging in-depth interviews with these people, both as oral history and in the social service context. From these contacts I have been blessed with several enduring friendships with people with whom I am close enough to share the best and worst of my life and theirs. I also had the less pleasant job of cataloging a lot of written material, polemics, essays, fiction, poetry etc. A lot of this was plainly pornographic and on my recommendation purged or quarantined from the archival collections for which I had responsibility.
but all of it, the written material, the interviews, the personal knowledge without exception testifies to the extreme existential loneliness and misery of the condition of the person who persists in seeking pleasure and interpersonal relationships through homosexual activity.
the entire AIDS issue is part of this, and the pain of losing so many friends to this disease is not eased by the knowledge that many confronted their disorders, sought and found comfort in God and died reconciled through their suffering (often aided by the ministry of Catholic health care workers and religious). It goes much deeper to core identity issues and inability to recognize divine love in other persons or oneself because of the inescapable, constant, unrelenting drive for sexual pleasure and experience which is the hallmark of the active homosexual lifestyle.
I know many gays and lesbians who have achieved great things artistically, academically, professionally and many who have reached some level of functionality in committed relationships, and many who have reached great spiritual maturity by confronting and combatting their orientation. I know several homosexuals who have acheived contentment and even holiness by renouncing the lifestyle in truly heroic fashion.
I never met, heard of, interviewed or read the work of an active homosexual who was “gay” in the accepted English definition of happy, lighthearted, contented, pleased with life. Of all those persons in the world contending with the evils, ills, lies and deceptions of modern society – and I include victims of war and poverty – none are more deserving of our prayers and intercession with God than sexually (and politically) active gays and lesbians.
but all of it, the written material, the interviews, the personal knowledge without exception testifies to the extreme existential loneliness and misery of the condition of the person who persists in seeking pleasure and interpersonal relationships through homosexual activity.
the entire AIDS issue is part of this, and the pain of losing so many friends to this disease is not eased by the knowledge that many confronted their disorders, sought and found comfort in God and died reconciled through their suffering (often aided by the ministry of Catholic health care workers and religious). It goes much deeper to core identity issues and inability to recognize divine love in other persons or oneself because of the inescapable, constant, unrelenting drive for sexual pleasure and experience which is the hallmark of the active homosexual lifestyle.
I know many gays and lesbians who have achieved great things artistically, academically, professionally and many who have reached some level of functionality in committed relationships, and many who have reached great spiritual maturity by confronting and combatting their orientation. I know several homosexuals who have acheived contentment and even holiness by renouncing the lifestyle in truly heroic fashion.
I never met, heard of, interviewed or read the work of an active homosexual who was “gay” in the accepted English definition of happy, lighthearted, contented, pleased with life. Of all those persons in the world contending with the evils, ills, lies and deceptions of modern society – and I include victims of war and poverty – none are more deserving of our prayers and intercession with God than sexually (and politically) active gays and lesbians.
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Jesus4Me
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First of all, I believe homosexuality is a sin. I do not condone the behavior or defend it at all.
However, it would be unfair to generalize and say that all homosexuals are unhappy. Imagine this: a homosexual forum board with one of them posting something similar to yours except saying “Why are Catholics so very unhappy” - just because they happen to know one who is. I know some pretty unhappy Catholics. The unhappy comes from being separated from God when we sin and don’t repent. This can happen to anyone, not just homosexuals.
However, it would be unfair to generalize and say that all homosexuals are unhappy. Imagine this: a homosexual forum board with one of them posting something similar to yours except saying “Why are Catholics so very unhappy” - just because they happen to know one who is. I know some pretty unhappy Catholics. The unhappy comes from being separated from God when we sin and don’t repent. This can happen to anyone, not just homosexuals.
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Giannawannabe
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Phenomenal post Annie. I believe you just stated, how we as Catholics Christians, should think of and treat homosexuals.
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roymckenzie
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I do not deny the statistical possibility of some homosexual individual somewhere experiencing the contentment and happiness of the devout Christian. I do know that individual homosexuals occasionally experience some level contentment and or level of happiness. My contention is that the homosexual does not experience the general happiness and contentment in life that is available to those that are not trapped in the addiction of a gravely disordered sexual appetite.
My friend after rereading your post I get the impression that you value fairness. I believe in your effort to be fair, you are doing what I, all too often do, you have fallen into the trap of logical fallacy. We have taken the general and tried to apply it to the specific. You indicated they could build the straw dog “all Catholics are happy” and nock it down with the fact that there are some Catholics that are not always happy. I believe that the preponderance of practicing Catholics are very happy. I do know specific Catholics that are sad. As I heard Father Benedict Groeschel say and I am paraphrasing “no one is always euphoric and who would want to be.”
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Jesus4Me
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I agree with you - and in no way do I even suggest that there are as many unhappy Catholics as there are unhappy homosexuals (that just isn’t possible.) You can call it logical fallacy, but I know I wouldn’t want to be lumped with an adjective that attempted to describe “most women”, just because I am a woman. I don’t see the difference between doing that and saying all homosexuals are unhappy.
I did find puzzleannie’s post interesting. In fact, I am not very knowledgable when it comes to the statistics on homosexuality and don’t even know very many of them.
Just thought I’d offer my :twocents: for what it’s worth.
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Lillith
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I believe that this unhappiness is the reason that some homosexuals want their lifestyles mainstreamed, and they blame their unhappiness on the fact that it is a lifestyle that is unaccepted.
I was surprised when I listened to Rush Limbaugh at the amount of homosexuals that would call in and explain why they were against gay marriage, and besides sexual orientation, they were conservative.
This is when I learned that you could never say all…about any one group.
I was surprised when I listened to Rush Limbaugh at the amount of homosexuals that would call in and explain why they were against gay marriage, and besides sexual orientation, they were conservative.
This is when I learned that you could never say all…about any one group.
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Jennifer123
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I’m not making an assumption of your comment, I’d just like to reiterate that the attraction to the same-sex is not inherently sinful, it’s the activity that is sinful. People can be homosexual and not be in sin.
I would still say that homosexuals, if actively engaging in the act of homosexuality, are unhappy. They wouldn’t have the peace or any fruits of the Holy Spirit within them.
Great post Puzzleannie
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Jesus4Me
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Yes, I apologize for not clarifying that. Thank you. :tiphat:
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Magster
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I am grateful to PuzzleAnnie for this reply. While I don’t have any comparable work experience with gays and lesbians, what she says about homosexuals being truly unhappy is consistent with my own observations in interacting with gays and lesbians I know socially. While many (in fact, most) are very pleasant, amiable people, and more than a few truly strive to live what they believe to be a moral life, some even having chosen low-paying jobs that serve the poor - an admirable choice for anyone - almost everyone of them comes across as, at core, truly unhappy. I used to attribute the unhappiness to the fact that so many of them also seem to have been raised in homes where they were not exposed to good examples of healthy family relations - many of them come from homes permeated with domestic violence - although not all fall into this category. PuzzleAnnie’s observation provides a more complete explanation for the phenomenon.
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buffalo
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The natural law at work!
**1958 The natural law is immutable and permanent throughout the variations of history; it subsists under the flux of ideas and customs and supports their progress. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. Even when it is rejected in its very principles, it cannot be destroyed or removed from the heart of man. It always rises again in the life of individuals and societies: Theft is surely punished by your law, O Lord, and by the law that is written in the human heart, the law that iniquity itself does not efface.
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Jennifer123
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Sure - I just wanted to make sure it was said somewhere on the thread! Hope you don’t think I picked on you…
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Jennifer123
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Fr. John Hardon has talked about this in his books about homosexuality. For men, it’s usually conflict with their fathers that can lead to the behavior. Not in all cases and it may be a mix of environmental and behavioral causes but it’s a general statement.
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Other_Eric
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Hi guys!
Are we assuming that depression proceeds same-sex attraction, follows it or is inextricably bound to it?
Are we assuming that depression proceeds same-sex attraction, follows it or is inextricably bound to it?
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fix
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“He was not made to know and feel his own goodness, worth, and identity. He has been thrown back upon himself by denial on the part of significant others in his life. He is like a prisoner, locked in, lonely, self-centered, waiting for someone to come and open the door of his prison, waiting to be opened to his own goodness and that of others. No measure of success in business, profession, or whatever can compensate adequately for his feelings of inferiority, inadequacy, uncertainty, and insecurity.”
Throughout this work, Dr. Baars makes no distinction between the emotionally stunted homosexual “cruiser” and the heterosexual — married or unmarried — adulterer or fornicator. Both have a compelling need to love and be loved, but their pursuit of sexual pleasure only leads to greater frustrations.
The book ends with ten practical guidelines for parents, friends, psychiatrists, priest-confessors, and others who genuinely want to help homosexuals, in their role as “affirming healers . . . in the resolution of the sexual compulsion and the maturing process of the homosexual and heterosexual promiscuous person.”
Dr. Baars was known as the “doctor of the heart,” and the question that should certainly be foremost in the minds of many Catholics is how much less healing would millions of Catholics need today if his prescriptions for curing maladies in the priesthood were heeded by the bishops he addressed more than 30 years ago.
thewandererpress.com/a4-10-03.htm
Offered Cure For Church’s, Society’s Sexual Ills
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Jesus4Me
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Not at all!Sure - I just wanted to make sure it was said somewhere on the thread! Hope you don’t think I picked on you…
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Jennifer123
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So tragic!!! The pain that one must go through to get to the point of homosexuality. I sometimes feel that much more attention (love and emotional attachment) should be given to boys, it seems there is a preoccupation with “girl power” and the boys are just ignored.
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