If this is not the body of Christ why did Jesus say let this chalice pass?

[Bill_Pick]

Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. 39 And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. 40 And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?
If this is only bread and wine

 

[Bill_Pick]

Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. 39 And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. 40 And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?
If this is only bread and wine, why was Jesus sorrowful

 

[Publisher]

Interesting interpretation Bill.

Maybe Jesus was sorrowful because of the suffering which was in store. “cup of suffering” that was handed to him by the Father…“except I drink…not my will buy yours”. It seems to me your interpretation is a stretch…but hey…I am always amazed at what Christians come up with from scripture.

I personally don’t see the relation between Jesus fearful of the “cup of suffering” he was being asked to “drink of” with the bread and wine he used in the Passover meal a few hours before…but it is interesting.

 

[Spencerian]

Bill Pick;6246175:

Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. 39 And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. 40 And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?
If this is only bread and wine, why was Jesus sorrowful

Bill,

Christ often described his holy sacrifice as a “cup” to his disciples (“Can you drink from the cup that I must drink?”–Matthew 20:22) in addition to what you noted in the Garden of Gethsemane.

In both instances, Christ is using metaphor (the “cup”) to describe the *action *of His living sacrifice that was to be done on the cross. We don’t read about Him actually being presented a cup here. Christ’s actions here are parallel to the processes He gives us as the Holy Eucharist, where Christ directs his disciples (and, in turn, all Catholics) to literally drink from a cup as part of the New Covenant and the Real Presence. So the action (the “cup which He must drink”) is the Sacrifice to be conducted, the cup that Catholics drink at each Mass is the re-presenting of that Sacrifice (since, as per Jewish sacrifices of animals, some of the flesh is presented to God, and other part is consumed by the participants).

The reason why Christ is sorrowful is because He is as much human as He was a divine being–100% human and 100% God. NO human, divine properties or not, would purposely ask to be crucified if there was a choice. As the Second Person, Christ knew what was to be done. But Christ’s* human nature* was, naturally, reluctant and afraid, but still quite obedient to his Father–as we all should be.

 

[Elizabeth_Henni]

Jesus changed bread and wine into His body and blood. He did not change His body and blood into bread and wine. IE Bread and wine become His body and blood when they are specifically transubstanciated. All bread and wine has not been transubstanciated into Jesus’ body and blood…however, all transubstanciated bread and wine IS Jesus’ body and blood.

Further, “the chalice” or “cup” that is referred to in this particular gospel passage refers to the offering God the Father handed to Jesus. This offering, or “chalice” was filled with intense physical suffering IN ADDITION TO redemption and salvation of all souls, past, present and future. This is what God the Father gave to His Son while His Son (who is also God the Father) remained manifest (or human) on earth and allowed Jesus to KNOWINGLY CHOOSE whether or not to allow this to happen. Thus, being God, Jesus did what God would do. He said, “Let not my will, but yours be done.” In other words, Jesus gave the decision back to the Father willing to accept what the Father (or God) would decide.

As to the chalice at the Last Supper…"**Take this all of you and drink from it. THIS **[that particular Chalice] is the cup of My blood. **The blood of the new and everlasting covenant [God will no longer be a God of fear and punishment such as in the Old Testament…but a God of LOVE who loves us as a Father loves his children…He is now a PERSONAL God for EACH of us. He is a HUMANITARIAN God who values each INDIVIDUAL. This is, by the way, a radical and new idea for the people of Jesus’ time.] ** It will be shed for you and for all men so that sins might be forgiven. [Jesus’ admission of knowing what is about to happen AND why.] **Whenever you do this, **[celebrating Passover with wine…or maybe anytime one drinks a cup of wine?] do this in memory of me. Now here’s the pinicale of where Jesus gave Himself BODY AND BLOOD to all of us with whom He is truly present to us in the Eucharist…even 2000 years later and beyond.] "

NOW…JESUS IS God AND man at the same time. Jesus has all the feelings, strengths, weaknesses and experiences that a human has. Jesus also has the same strength, wisdom, power, intention and WILL that God has. In a sense, this incident in the gospel is depicting an incident where the Trinity is having a discussion amongst Themselves. The outcome of this discussion was that the Son, out of PURE Love for God (which includes Himself) made an informed and conscious decision to go through such intense suffering for our sake despite Jesus’ understandable apprehension about going through such an ordeal. If Jesus did not have this apprehension in this situation, one could argue that He was indeed ONLY God and not God AND man. We must look at the way Jesus’ humanity treated this situation and apply this principle in example to our own lives. That is one of the important messages in the gospel. Even when faced with this extremely intense situation, Jesus the man said to His Father (who is also Jesus) “Let not My will, but YOURS be done.”

 

[peeteyg]

Jesus was refering to the cup of redemption and the cup of consummation. These are the 4 cups of wine jews are reqired to drink during passover feast. Go to www.the4thcup.com and learn about the cup he is speaking of. When you are done I would like to speak about it. enjoy !!

 

[Madaglan]

Then he saith to them: My soul is sorrowful even unto death: stay you here, and watch with me. 39 And going a little further, he fell upon his face, praying, and saying: My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. 40 And he cometh to his disciples, and findeth them asleep, and he saith to Peter: What? Could you not watch one hour with me?
If this is only bread and wine

The mutilation of the body by crucifixion and subsequent separation of soul and body at death is not in itself natural and good. Jesus stated this not because he hoped to avoid the Crucifixion, or because his human will was inclined any differently than that of the Father (which it was not), but because it was appropriate for him to say such regarding his approaching kairos. This is, I believe, in essence the interpretation of St. Maximus the Confessor. It’s a bit different from the interpretation that developed in the West, which emphasizes Jesus’ terror at his coming crucifixion and sees his prayer as intended for actual deliverance (an interpretation which led C.S. Lewis to claim the Father said “no” to Jesus’ prayer).